Why is Gojet that bad? FACTS
 

Hi I'm considering G7, TSA, and Skywest, Denver base, no commuting.
I know SW is my best option, but can anyone explain Why G7 and TSA are That bad??

Pay is ok, G7 new contract is not bad
Why everybody said treat people horrible

Can somebody give examples? Or It's just bad reputation

Thanks

Company culture would rather see you violated by the FAA than give you an extra dollar for work

At GoJet. Things have changed a bit.

When I was hired there was a guy in my class who was returning from military leave after 3 years. In his words the difference is night and day.

In the past GoJet was known for harsh disciplinary tactics and crude culture. Today and over the past 2 years even I have seen changes.

GoJet is not perfect though but they are trying or at least seem like they are trying to change for the better.

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I know someone who went there as a flight attendant. She called in sick ~6 months in and they fired her.

Not validating what you're saying is true there, but that would be one way to stem attrition and keep pilots. :cool:

Don't go to TSA for a DEN base.

DEN is going to grow eventually either by adding new aircraft or as IAD aircraft are moved west when Commutair gets their 145s. That being said if you go to any regional just for a base you will likely be disappointed at some point.

Yeah its changed so much the Comair guy they brought in as the DO to "change" the place finally threw his hands up in the air and quit last November and was replaced with a Gojet "company" guy.....

But but but the union sent an email saying that's not going to happen.

Make it easy on yourself. Just go to Skywest.

If they would let Denver crews just do the Denver flying instead of bringing every other base to Denver to fly their routes TSA DEN would be the place to be... That being said it seems like the company has been going above and beyond to make denver not grow and keep flying in STL. I would recommend skywest as well if you want DEN.

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I worked there for 4.5 years. I wouldn't go back to that craphole airline if they were the only airline hiring. Many Trans States pilots get on here and talk crap but the fact is they work for the same arsehole. Whether it TSA, G7 or Compass all you are to Hulie is a way to make HIM money. He only cares about HIM, period. Screw him and the TSA & G7 lifers who chose to hang their hat at those crappy places.

Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure STL has lost well over half its flying in the past 6 months.

Which one was that?

You are correct. I was a line holder at 89 in base, now I am low 40's in base and only 4 away from RSV. currently been here almost a year and can't hold DEN yet.

Yes it's completely unfounded rumors like this that perpetuate themselves on Facebook. Pilots give the company waaaaay too much credit thinking they're pulling off all of these Machiavellian plots to destroy quality of life for pilots. They're not that smart and they don't have that much time to spend. RDU has exploded and I think will be the one of the biggest bases in the next couple of months. STL has been the biggest loser. Hopefully they'll start to increase block hours in DEN by August but who knows.

I'm at GoJet. Been here for about 9 months. So far I really enjoy it here. I gained seniority really quickly, all the captains I've flown with are great, the past few months I've had every bid-request honored, I often pick up open time trips for premium pay, I've never had a mistake in my paycheck, etc. Long story short, GoJet has been a very positive experience so far. Yes, lots of people like to bad-mouth the place on this forum; my best guess is that they were here back when the culture was really different.

That being said, it sounds like you're looking for a DEN base. DEN is really senior here at GoJet. Just to give you an idea, I'd be more than halfway up the seniority list in STL or RDU, about a third of the way up the list in ORD, and dead-last in DEN.

Nothing has changed at Gojet. Nothing. They are trying to be more skilled when mistreating people to make it harder for the word to get out. They have a real phobia about anyone getting sick. If you get sick they think you might get sick more so they get rid of you.

Gosh, look at their contract video, it says something like, "No longer will Gojet be free to abuse and mistreat the pilots. There are real procedures being put in place." Truth is that they think the new procedures are a joke as they are.


There is no reason to go there, none, other than a mental problem in the person going there or not having any other choices. Yes, some people have an insane urge to do things they can see is stupid and are warned about. They lie to themselves. They don't have control and will go there anyway. I feel sorry for them. Maybe I am one.

I think it was the other week. He was talking about the rumors that were going around.

Ok, this will sound bad but this picture came into my mind. I see an interview in a WWII concentration camp sounding pretty much the same. Here it goes:

"I've been in the camp for about 9 months and so far it has been a positive experience despited the many people complaining. They need to realize that there is a war going on and we must all do our part. The Commandant is responsive to their complaints and the most vocal seem to be reassigned promptly as they are usually gone within a day. Obviously they are reassigned to a camp that is a better fit for them. Something less physical and more clerical I assume because the first thing they all do is head for the showers.
We have a seniority like system here and in the short 9 months I have moved up rapidly. Senior people move on quickly and new people arrive each month. Obviously that movement is good for everyone.
I work with some amazing people, writers, bankers, lawyers, scientists, musicians, all here working together in the common cause of supporting the war effort. The food isn't the best and there could be more of it but everything is free. Our pay is building up while we are here and should be a fortune when we receive it at the end of the war. What we are doing is important for the war effort and there are many guards here with guns to protect us. Yes, some hard work now, a concentrated effort, and thus the name "concentration camp". It will all pay off when the war is over and we are the Major leader of the world."
I love people with a positive outlook in all situations. I hope he gets to his Major.

That.....or maybe he got a job offer at southern air cargo and was able to move back to CVG where he's from. Your version is cute though.

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If a FA or a pilot's family member comes down with cancer it may cost the insurer 500,000 in treatment. Most airlines self-insure. To counter that there is one bean counter owner who will have the company give the FA or pilot a checkride that will not be passed. The person is then fired. Of course the company's position is that the termination was because of the failed check ride and not the cost of the cancer treatment.

If you think that the only thing that matters is which has a base close to where you live I believe you should reconsider your priorities. Don't worry about whether the insurance will be there when you need it, go to a respectable airline. Skywest is an airline of integrity.

To give you some examples of airlines without integrity: I was offered a job at Republic, but when the upper management found out about my disability (does not affect me as a pilot) they came up with an excuse to rescind their employment offer. I showed them that their excuse was invalid and they reluctantly made the offer again. I did not go. Another airline called me for an interview. I did not return their call and they called again and spent 45 minutes trying to sell me in going there. I mentioned my disability and suddenly the interview offer became a "send in an application and maybe we will interview you." I pointed out that they already scheduled me for an interview and there was a 15 minute placing me on hold period. Then they came back and gave me the information about the interview and that they would send me the list of required items. I never got the list so I called several times and finally received the email. I called and told them I could not get the items in the 4 days they gave me. They called me back and said that since I would not be able to attend the interview as scheduled they were rescinding the interview offer.

My disability does not affect me as a pilot and is not even visible. These airlines merely think that if the public had pilots like me people might not fly on them despite the fact that many pilots have the same thing.

When your 4 year old comes down with leukemia you don't want to have to tell them that you just lost your job and therefore your insurance. Its not all about the base. Go to the good and respectable airlines.

I'm sorry to hear that. Disclosing health or psychological issues is a touchy subject, especially on a medical or through HIMS programs. It definitely shouldn't affect ones prospect of employment, however. If anything, it underscores a problem in our profession where if a pilot seeks treatment for a disorder, that immediately puts him or her on a blacklist.

Hmm, Mesa wouldn't care about cancer, because you would be on Obama care regardless!

Trust me the second the economy turns gojet will be singing their old tunes. What side of the fence will you be on.
Do your self a favor and go to a respectable airline. You don't need PICT these days anyways.

Or maybe he was just as big a jerk as the owner and the company culture. He fired one guy for bring up a safety concern. Even if the guy was wrong he didn't need to be fired. He didn't help at all and put Gojet in a position where no sane pilot would go there. Gojet is done which is why he left. Six months and they will be out of business. They are "wrapping up" the business right now. My opinion which unfortunately always seems to be right. Of course how hard is it to see that when the captain jumps off the ship the ship might be sinking.

I am just incredulous that people would even consider Gojet as a place to go considering the fact that current technology allows others to know what things are like. Its not 2009 when Gojet was the only airline hiring (because of all their firing). In the majors, it Delta offers you a job you go to Delta, period. In the fractional, if Netjets offers you a job you go to Netjets. And, in the regional world, if Skywest offers you a job, you go to Skywest, period. Ok, maybe some minor exceptions but very limited.
When you are at your United interview and you are there with a couple of Eagle guys, a couple of TSA and Gojet guys, a couple of A-10 guys, you won't be feeling like a second class citizen. Some of the guys there won't feel that way.

That's a pretty bold statement for a place like this ;)

You are beginning to sound like the FO from ILM many years ago.

If you aren't, i'm sorry for calling you out. If you are that person, I'm very happy you got help.

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I think you are painting very broad strokes and oversimplifying choices that effect everyone's QOL.

1) I would never even remotely consider Delta

2) Netjets is having problems and lots if folks are jumping ship

3) when I was back in the regional world, I would never have gone to Skywest, because living in base is far more important than going to "the best regional"-- whatever that means.


Also, I know of 8-10 non Jets for job's folks that went from GoJet to United.

I don't know what ILM is, so I'm not your guy.

My disability merely requires me to take a couple of pills each day and to send blood tests in to the FAA each year. It wasn't long ago (1991) when wearing glasses prevented you from being hired by Delta, American, Northwest and most of the others. Hitting age 31 was the kiss of death for going to the majors.

I have nothing good to say about Gojet and I was there a long time. I feel sorry for everyone who is there. Gojet is run by people who never did as well as they thought they should have done and each one is on a power trip. They get their feeling of success by exercising power over others and abusing them. It is one messed up place.

Don't believe people who say it has changed. As of today, April 12, 2014, the bad things are still happening.

You are Off by about 2 years......

Wow , this pretty much sums it up.

Maybe he is going off the date on the FMS database...

Hulas Kanodia, is all you need to know.

Nothing has changed as of today. With all due respect, bcpilot's perspective is merely of what he has seen in his short time at G7. He has not known guys who were here and then suddenly disappear. Bcpilot doesn't stop and ask why he is able to move up in seniority so quickly, he assumes the guys above him have left for the majors as some have. Gojet is simply not an airline to go to until Gojet makes the decision to do things properly. With Mr. Hulas in charge I don't believe that decision will ever be made. He has weighted the variables and has chosen to continue pretty much as he had in the past. It's a matter of numbers with him. Remember, his positive numbers are your negative numbers if you come here. The only message that is considered is the message made when a pilot goes somewhere else.

Here is something for bcpilot. If things really changed over 2 years ago then please give us a status on each grievance filed in the last 3 years and how each was settled. Gojet doesn't even let grievances be heard but argues that they were not filed correctly which pushes them down the road for a year or more. They go to arbitration about whether they can go to arbitration. The pilots merely have to move on with their lives. In fact, I nominate Bcpilot for the grievance committee and believe he will obtain a new perspective.

Yup, and the website recently created was supposed to make filing a grievance easier but guess what? That option was removed 😱 Was that ever corrected ? Did the union ever come up with a way to track grievances ?

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Regardless which certificate you fly under

Indeed, really starting to feel the effects at CPZ the last few months.