For some reason pilots think there is no price to be paid going to a bottom feeder as a captain. Why do they think an airline with no growth needs captains?

Remember to figure in the cost of an airline ticket home after your last trip because they cut off your jumpseat before the end. They like to get in that final FU.

It will not be getting any better. Don't believe the guy who gets on here and tells you that it might have been that way a couple of years ago but not any more. It still sucks.

Please don't forget that this little gem was taken straight out of the PSA contract. Almost word for word.

While we're on the subject:

Open time, PSA pays 125% GoJet pays 150%

Junior man, PSA pays 175% GoJet pays 150%

Critical pay, PSA Pays 150% (if they follow the cba) GoJet pays 200% sometimes 300% depending on how critical it is.

Deadhead, PSA pays 50% GoJet pays 75% (changes to 100% in '18)

Direct hire captains at GoJet are actually flying, at PSA they are mostly on airport standby.
Direct hire captains at GoJet are not spending long on reserve, last summer there was zero reserve in STL. If they fly as FOs, they are still being paid as Captains. (Flying as an FO to me, is still better than airport standby)

Now someone with a CL-65 type can attend a few days of indoc, get a seniority number, and then defer class for six months. Meaning they hit the line with over 6 months seniority, almost guaranteeing no reserve. Plus a 5k bonus.

I'm not saying GoJet is all sunshine and roses, no regional or any airline for that matter really is, but I do agree;

"Get the contract, Read the contract"

These GoJet basing threads are ridiculous... I was a direct entry hire from back in February, and honestly this place has treated be no better and no worse than Republic (Chautauqua) did. My paycheck has always been correct and on time. I haven't been asked to fly any broken airplanes or do any kind of shady operation. I've had personal conversations with both our CP and DO and both have been amazing to talk to. Comparing our contract to Mesas contract is hilarious! If anyone wants to, I'll go line for line G7 vs Mesa contract. I support Mesas pilots, and hope they get a better contract, but as of now there is no comparison. Our scheduling dept has let me off early, and let me come in late on reserve to make it commutable multiple times. They've also paid for more than 4 hotels in one month, although they are only contractually obligated to 4/month.

Since Feb 2016, (IOE in May) I flew 226.7 hours in the left seat and 15.1 hours in the right. I also held a line for June and July in STL. I don't have a crash pad, and have had to buy around 6 hotels all year. I average 16 days at home because of our long call reserve setup. I'd be a solid line holder in DTW right now, but it's a bad commute for me. Street captains hired today can hold STL, DTW, RDU immediately and ORD within a month or 2. Last roster had street captains holding ORD of IOE. FOs are holding lines at every base except DEN. I'll clear a little over $72k this year as a first year CA.

For those that say there is no movement, I've moved up 143 spots since Feb. With 560 pilots on the roster, that's pretty good movement in my opinion. We've had multiple people move on to FedEx, Southwest, Delta and United and many more to other LCCs.

Don't believe the trash talking, feel free to pm me or any other G7 pilot. I'm not gonna call it like it's the greatest thing ever. I had serious reservations about coming here, but have been pleasantly surprised about how things have gone so far.

I second everything that bkey79 just said. Been at GoJet for about a year and a half and so far it's been great. QOL is good, and I pulled in 57k first year FO (took advantage of premium open time pay, referral bonuses, etc). Sat reserve for 1 month when I got hired, and the upgrade was right at 18 months as advertised. I've never been asked to do anything illegal; I've only been junior manned once; had one paycheck discrepancy and it was corrected within 48 hours. You get the idea. Don't believe all the negativity on here. No airline is perfect, and GoJet certainly has its problems. But overall, this is a good place to work.

It's interesting, of the handful of pilots I know who have worked/currently work for GoJet, it's about a 50/50 split. A couple are happy and don't really have any complaints, and the other couple have horror stories. I wonder why it varies so much between employees?

Did you go specifically for the DEC at gojet or was it RAH you did not like?

I left RP for a Medevac king air job with Eaglemed. Chautauqua kept closing bases, and was commuting from San Antonio to JFK. Tripled my pay, all single pilot and I could drive to work. Left EagleMed for GoJet.

I 3rd that. Gojet bashing is out of control. Certainly not a good company, there are better companies, but all regional companies suck. Pick the easiest commute. Fact is the QOL is pretty good, good trips, lots of time off, and high credits. 2nd-3rd year captain can easily pull in 75-80K with 15 days off. We're losing lots of captains to Fedex, Southwest, Delta, etc every month. Everyone is in line to get out, Gojet or not.

Isn't it funny how your second regional is ALWAYS better than the first one? Sure even if it's Gojet. Why are they hiring street CAs?? That's a red flag. Whatever it takes to sleep at night. Also you guys have only been a year at a Hulas run operation. Give it some time.

Do you want to eat steak or dogfood?

I would say this thread provides valuable information, a chance to look at the pros and cons of the low end airline. I would not call this "Gojet Bashing", it is better categorized as "Gojet Education". Gojet is unique and it is not a place someone should go without knowing what it is like. Things can be fine over there for a year or 2 but you had better keep your fingers crossed. When they got their new contract TA they were trying to get support by saying how grievances would actually be heard in the future and the company would not just fight everything. I understand there are still grievances from years ago sitting, aren't there!

Everyone is not trying to "get out, Gojet or not." At some companies the bigger complaint is that people like it there and people stay a long time, so movement is slowed. bkey79 has been there 10 months and has moved up 143 numbers, that is a lot of numbers for such a small airline. A few went to bigger and better things but I am sure a large percentage of people did not.

At Skywest, upgrades are about to hit 18 months and with all the new planes coming it should stay like that for a long time. I would look to Skywest before Mesa or Gojet. Envoy might be Ok if you want to be in NY. There is just too much opportunity out there that it is not necessary to risk your career by going to an airline that does not treat their people fairly.

Look to the reasons that airlines are having quick upgrades. At Skywest it is from growth. But when an airline is not growing yet they are hiring street captains, you will probably find some big problems.

Go for quality. You can buy an Apple that will still be operating great in 7 years, as mine is, or you can buy the cheap Compaq, or Attari, or Surface things that last 2 years and never work very well to begin with.

Also keep in mind that if you are a member of the U.S. Armed forces Brad Sargent and Randy Bratcher will bounce you out of there faster than ****. As stated in the court documents in the Eastern District of MO Case 4:16-cv-01330. Randy Bratcher and Brad Sargent are also extremely racist and are known to go on belligerent rants. Even last month GoJet Airlines withheld hundreds of dollars in wages earned from pilots without any explanation and to this day it is unknown exactly what exactly are they withholding those wages earned for.

You do realize throwing out words like those can be considered libel right? And you also realize that RB is a retired Navy Chief right? Saying that he doesn't support the military is hilarious! I'm a USAF veteran, and he personally thanked me for my service during introductions in Indoc. We also had an FO that had been with the GoJet for a 2 + years in my Indoc, but was deployed over a year to Iraq. That was his 3rd time going through Indoc because of his deployments. As far as the court case, wait till all the facts come out, you might be surprised. There are literally close to a hundred Guard and Reservists at G7.

Racist? I've had black, white, Asian, Indian and shoot my last FO was Israeli but of Russian descent. G7!also was a sponsee of OBAP and NGPA.

There was cash withheld from paychecks last month, and the reason was given. The company overpaid a select few amount of people for a mess up in the tracking system. They also decided to give half of the overpayment back, essentially giving free money to those select people. Oh, and the conpany has decided to retroactively give the $12,000 bonus to all FOs that hired on this year. So those hired in Feb that only got $5k, they are gonna get another $7k. There were a couple classes around Marchish that go no bonus, so yeah get $12k now as well.

Libel? Have you proven his statement false?

Why would anybody need to go through Indoc twice let alone three times?!?

What did you do before republic?

Just because you are a retired Navy chief does not automatically exonerate you from terminating the employment of a member of the U.S. military while he was performing his duties or from being a racist. Since it appears that you know the facts why don't you share them with everyone instead of having to wait until the trial by jury that has already been set.

Just because Gojet is a sponsor for OBAP and NGPA does not preclude you from being racist either. There are many forms of racism in addition to the belligerent rants they are known to go on despite the sheer low number of pilots at GoJet that are considered to be in these protected status.

What racism are you talking about? Please educate me in detail.

I'm just sayin.. And it's not my job to prove him false, when you make a statement like that you better have proof or it's defamatory and then libel.

"The short answer is this: calling someone a racist is considered defamatory in many U.S. states and English Commonwealth countries. Now, the facts of a given suit matter most; but yes, people have sued for defamation over being called a racist and won."

Accusations Of Racism: Is It Or Isn?t It Defamation? | What is Defamation?

Not sure if this is the right reg, but... table 3-75. And I think it was his 2nd time, can't remember what he said. He didn't have to complete the entire indoc/systems again, but was offered and chose to. He is a Blackhawk pilot, wanted to refresh everything...

http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/8900.1/v0...03_019_011.htm

You want my full work history?

USAF 97-06 Air Traffic Controller
FAA Houston Center 06-08
Midwest ATC Afghanistan 08-09
ATP flight school 09-11
Great Lakes 11-12
Chautauqua 12-14
EagleMed 14-16
GoJet 16- current

And look bud, I'm not trying to start crap with anyone. I'm only trying to give my experiences, and things have overall been pretty good.

Im guessing here, but you've never been in the military huh? Once you wear a uniform, you would never throw one of your own under the bus without very good reasons. And I'm not gonna get involved in any open litigation, as I am neither a lawyer or a spokesperson for either party. I'm simply an employee that is trying to give their honest opinion on their own experiences. Mine have been really good. YMMV.

Ok, if you say so. I've never heard any of those and my experiences have been nothing short of extremely professional with any management.

Also, our seniority list has historically been between 550 - 575. I think we are around 560 right now. We ar covering our attrition.

An accusation is not proof. You do not know Brad Sargent or Randy Bratcher or you not make such a ridiculous statement. I am friends with both individuals and am aware of the case you cited. I can tell anyone with serious questions this is bogus.

It's interesting that so many disregard these negative posts. Granted some might be somewhat exaggerated, but the fact that this keeps occurring should be an eye opener for all that are looking at GoJet. A good example would be if you were to look at Pinnacle posts from about 4 years back, you would find that the majority were negative posts. Today the Endeavor posts are mostly positive. So things can change. To me it would seem that things at GoJet are not that much better due with all the negative talk. With the hiring environment today there are far better choices

To answer your question, yes I have been in the military. Matter of fact I served in the military more than twice your 9-10 years. Thats why I don't have any problems saying what I have to say about using the defense of being a retired Navy Chief as an excuse to terminate someones employment while they are complying with there service commitment. I served in various interagency, combined, and joint roles so I do know a little about the Air Force and given your 9-10 years I am sure you where probably a SSgt or TSgt maybe a Capt or a Major. This means you attended at some point your share of PME and leadership courses. As you very well know the Air Force prides itself in its core values especially the first one which is Integrity First and I can't remember how they word it but a big part of this cor value was doing the correct thing even when no one was looking or supervising you. So to your point, this has nothing to do with throwing anyone under the bus this has everything to do with doing what is correct.

Now moving to discipline and discharge. Being part of any hearing dealing with discipline or discharge was always my least favorite aspect. Some individuals deserve it while other might have not known any better but no matter what form of discipline or discharge was administered you know that it was not carried out by telling them that they would be "bounced out of here faster than ****" discipline and discharge was communicated in very clear and direct language and to the point. Us who served and that the uniform and the values that it carried know that this type of degrading behavior is not necessary nor acceptable in any discipline or discharge hearing. Same goes in the flight deck belligerent rants like those of Randy Bratcher be it a check ride, oral exam, or in the flight deck are not qualities of a service member or perhaps you walk down the halls of any military installation and all you hear and observe is this type of behavior? I for sure did not experience that when I was some Air Force Bases.

Moving along everyone know very well that you are always being watched you are always being heard be it in the gate area, while on the jet bridge, in line at TSA even working as an FO while being in flight etc, etc. and when you happen to hear these individuals referring to a group of people as being ghetto no matter what reason it is for guess what that makes you a racist.

As part of the pay that was withheld GoJet never gave me the exact details of what was withheld so to say they gave me back half of it as far as I am concerned they still have to give me back the other half or let me know itemized exactly what was withheld from my paycheck and for what reason and not just a random act.

I never had any negative encounters with management. I was a good employee, showed up on time and did my job. That's all they expected.

The relationship was mutually beneficial. They got a good employee for over 4 years and I used the company as a stepping stone for greener pastures.

If G7 allows you to drive to work and move up quickly, consider it. There's little honor in being an FO at a 'top tier' regional for 9 years. You'll get disgruntled at a place like that quicker than a porn star fluffer in Carson City.

It is not a good place to be or go. You may make it through unharmed, but chances are pretty good you won't be so lucky. Should a pilot with a good future risk his career by going to this place? I feel bad for everyone who is there and hope them the best of luck getting out unharmed. Despite what some people say, it has not changed in the last couple of years.

Some people like a challenge and will go anyway despite the many warnings people have given on this and probably other sites. Why take an elevator down, walk across the street, and then up another elevator when you can just walk across to the other building on a tight rope. I guess that is the mentality of some. Good luck with that.

Great cancellation today GoJets. Love it. G7-6189

looks like they diverted

Air return and no quick fix so cxx.

Is there any news about new a/c or losing a/c? I heard a rumor about losing some DL 900s. Any substance? Thanks.

Not loosing any aircraft. GoJet owns all the CRJ900s and all the United paint 700s. I think G7 also owns a few of the Delta 700s, but not 100% sure on that as Delta owns most all of those.

I see that Gojet is offering its pilots $10,000 for each person recruited. Do you think a GJ pilot can give you an honest answer and risk losing the 10k?

I didn't think G7 owned anything. They're all leased.

Well G7 outright owns quite a few of the United 700s. I looked up a few of them, but don't care enough to go through the entire fleet. Then AFS Investments and Wells Fargo technically own the rest and G7 leases them.


FAA Registry - Aircraft - N-Number Inquiry

FAA Registry - Aircraft - N-Number Inquiry


FAA Registry - Aircraft - N-Number Inquiry

900s are delta owned purchased from Pluna

Wells Fargo technically owns all of GoJets 900s and they are directly leased to GoJet. Delta does not own any of G7s 900s ( all have a "GJ" tail number), only under contract to fly for Delta. Delta does own all but a couple (maybe all of them?) of the Delta painted 700s, which have a "CA" tail number.

The last couple planes I flew;

Example 900s:

FAA Registry - Aircraft - N-Number Inquiry

GoJet Airlines N186GJ (Canadair Regional Jet - MSN 15165) (Ex CX-CRA ) | Airfleets aviation

Example 700s:

FAA Registry - Aircraft - N-Number Inquiry

FAA Registry - Aircraft - N-Number Inquiry

Hi folks I'm highly considering a DEC position with GoJet. I've been with Mesa for 21 months and upgrades have slowed to about 8 per month total. 2 E jet and 6 CRJ per last award. I'm on the E-Jet. This industry is very cyclical as we all know. I missed the wave at Mesa by about 6 months. Now we are in a position where there are more United E Jets to be had but our low pay, and overall weak contract doesn't allow us to attract the FOs we need to take on more E jets. You see the predicament. Yes if they can get the ball rolling again I'll upgrade quickly and hold a line. However, this current stagnation and weak contract doesn't paint an optimistic picture. As we all know PIC time is gold in aviation. Whether your applying to Delta or a corporate Citation gig - PIC time puts your resume at the top of the pile. The thing that attracts me to GoJet is the direct entry captain. Instead of waiting and or hoping based on projections to upgrade at ANY other regional - I can start class as a CA making 70/hr. PIC time and money. Two things that allow me to get to where I want to go. The question is what is this going to cost me? If I'm not gonna be flying then its costing me time. If they do withhold pay then its costing me money. If their schedules aren't commutable it could cost me quality of life. I don't mind putting my nose to the grind stone when it leads to achieving a goal.

I know what the registry says. They are owned by delta even still. Even though it says Wells Fargo. They are under ownership contract much like when we purchase a car. We are the owner but not title holder. G7 operates the pluna 900s under a sublease from Delta, not the bank. If delta want to remove them from G7 to another certificate, they can do that at their will.

Here is an example of their oldest flying 747. It's owned by delta but the registry says Wells Fargo like the Plunas.

FAA Registry - Aircraft - N-Number Inquiry

Garrett, firstly, do you have the time for DEC? As a regional FO you might not get DEC. Secondly, I would not leave Mesa for Gojets. It's a lateral move and starting over, bottom of the list, is a bad idea.

Now, if you really want to leave, go somewhere where you might get something out of it like Piedmont or PSA or even Envoy. Endeavor and Commutair don't have flows but at least you'll get a shot at U or D.

Also consider that you need to explain moving around. My advice is to stay put, take the upgrade when it comes, build your pic, start applying to the majors, and right now, then move on.

I know the frustratiin but try not to be impetious and make poor career decisions. Mesa to Gojets would be a poor career decision.

Hang in there and best of luck.

Explaining a lateral move can be done with many many great reasons. Mesa has really bum pay and it's kind of sad. By all means leave and go to an AA wholly owned with a flow program. I work at 9E and I advise AA WOs. It's good to know you have a mainline career in the midst. Meanwhile, you can always work on getting hired prior to your flow. But leave mesa and for EFF sakes don't go to GoJet. jesus mary and joseph.

yes I meet DEC requirements. Have been talking to the recruiter. He knows I'm not coming to GoJet as an FO.

I hear you but I have these thoughts -

Do we agree that 121 PIC time is the holy grail of a pilots logbook? Second only to heavy international 121 PIC. When Delta scored my app and didn't chose me for an interview I had 2400TT. Now pretend I had 4000TT and 1000 121 PIC. Do you agree my chances of landing an interview would have been significantly greater? Not to mention the extra $70,000 I'd make which would allow me to move out of my parents house and the healthcare I would have vs not having now. When I apply to any pilot job whether it be on climbto350.com or airline apps - Turbine PIC seems to open the doors to higher level positions. Why am I making $25k and not logging PIC time when I can make 3 times that, have healthcare, and log the flight time that opens every door there is in aviation? I'm not sure what sitting tight at Mesa or any other regional as an FO does for me when this opportunity has presented itself. Thoughts/input is welcomed.

Go to Gojet and be labeled as an Alter-ego.

121 PIC is great, but not needed. While many ahead of you have thousands of hours of 121, and a fair amount of that PIC time, they are not getting the call either.

Yet DL is hiring 23 yr old kids with a wet ATP certificate, 0 TPIC. It's not what it used to be, IMHO.

If you're going to make a lateral move, do it at PDT or EDV, not GoJet. Even if you sit as an FO for 2-3 months, you'll be doing it for great pay. IF you can handle the commute to either place, that is.