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If you come as a DEC, does the longevity incentive apply? If it did I would be willing to sit reserve in STL for a long time. Also how is the insurance?
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Your points are valid Garrett but, do you have turbine PIC time? The Candian Barbie dream jet is not a piece of cake. You will still have to get through the DEC program. Also, do you think recruiters, not the Chief Pilot, lie to get people to come? Well, I, and many others, can tell you they do, ALL THE TIME.
Again, don't get the cart ahead of the horse. You don't want a failure, and a failure at Gojets, on your record. Where's the fire? And as Highflight pointed out, you're not going right to the top of the pile as soon as you get 1000 turbine PIC. You're going into the same pile a lot of others are already in. The wholy owned are the only way to go. The upgrade as PDT is very quick if that's what you really want. Always be careful what you wish for. So, don't take this personally as I don't know you. Slow down, have a decaf, enjoy what you have, really seriously think about what you're doing and where you REALLY want to go. Make a plan and THEN follow through. I know this sounds crazy but I would stay put, get a command, get your time and then try to get to a major. Starting all over again, and promises of DECs, again, why do they need DECs and a Mesa FO at that, is always risky. My two cents. |
First and foremost, are the bases commutable? DTW is the most junior right now for captains, but you may also be able to hold STL, ORD, or RDU with a few months or less. DEN would be longer, I don't know how much longer.
GoJet allows you to change bases every month, so you should get whatever choice quickly. Next, the DEC course is fairly demanding. You will need to be able to fly the jet, obviously, but you are also changing and adapting to new procedures as well as being responsible for all the knowledge in the manuals. Aircraft,SOPs, maintenance procedures, cold weather ops, on board delay etc. The program is challenging but not impossible as long as you have good study habits. The instructors Ive dealt with are all very knowledgeable and they want to see you succeed, if you have the proper attitude. If you feel confident you can commute and can succeed then it is not a bad move. You will receive full captain pay in training and I've yet to have a pay issue. As a reserve captain at GoJet you will be flying, bear in mind you can be used to fly right seat while on reserve. Other DECs Ive spoken with tell me this is a rare occurrence. Something like 50hrs over 6 months. However you will still be paid as a captain for that flying, and personally I would much rather fly in the right seat than spend 8 hours sitting around a crew room on airport reserve like you will experience at a wholly owned. PIC time will help your resume but it's not as much of an issue anymore, unless you want to go to southwest. Training failures will hurt your resume but they aren't the career killer they used to be. As far as the alter ego stuff. Most pilots don't care and the ones that do aren't doing the hiring. Do you really think the HR people at DL, UA, or AA have any idea who GoJet is or what may have happened 15 years ago? Caveat to all of this; Taking career advice from a pilot is a terrible idea. |
Originally Posted by Braniff DC8
(Post 2281387)
Your points are valid Garrett but, do you have turbine PIC time? The Candian Barbie dream jet is not a piece of cake. You will still have to get through the DEC program. Also, do you think recruiters, not the Chief Pilot, lie to get people to come? Well, I, and many others, can tell you they do, ALL THE TIME.
Again, don't get the cart ahead of the horse. You don't want a failure, and a failure at Gojets, on your record. Where's the fire? And as Highflight pointed out, you're not going right to the top of the pile as soon as you get 1000 turbine PIC. You're going into the same pile a lot of others are already in. The wholy owned are the only way to go. The upgrade as PDT is very quick if that's what you really want. Always be careful what you wish for. So, don't take this personally as I don't know you. Slow down, have a decaf, enjoy what you have, really seriously think about what you're doing and where you REALLY want to go. Make a plan and THEN follow through. I know this sounds crazy but I would stay put, get a command, get your time and then try to get to a major. Starting all over again, and promises of DECs, again, why do they need DECs and a Mesa FO at that, is always risky. My two cents. I'm not saying this pertains to Garrett but many think upgrading is a given and easy, the fact is not everyone that goes through upgrade training will make it, its the ultimate test and you better be ready for it. I have seem 6 year FO that failed and also seem 1.5 year FO that passed, so obviously it really depends on the individual. To Sept's point about ready reserve at the WO, we at pdt doesn't have airport ready rsv. (just want to clarify) |
Originally Posted by garrett490
(Post 2281219)
Hi folks I'm highly considering a DEC position with GoJet. I've been with Mesa for 21 months and upgrades have slowed to about 8 per month total. 2 E jet and 6 CRJ per last award. I'm on the E-Jet. This industry is very cyclical as we all know. I missed the wave at Mesa by about 6 months. Now we are in a position where there are more United E Jets to be had but our low pay, and overall weak contract doesn't allow us to attract the FOs we need to take on more E jets. You see the predicament. Yes if they can get the ball rolling again I'll upgrade quickly and hold a line. However, this current stagnation and weak contract doesn't paint an optimistic picture. As we all know PIC time is gold in aviation. Whether your applying to Delta or a corporate Citation gig - PIC time puts your resume at the top of the pile. The thing that attracts me to GoJet is the direct entry captain. Instead of waiting and or hoping based on projections to upgrade at ANY other regional - I can start class as a CA making 70/hr. PIC time and money. Two things that allow me to get to where I want to go. The question is what is this going to cost me? If I'm not gonna be flying then its costing me time. If they do withhold pay then its costing me money. If their schedules aren't commutable it could cost me quality of life. I don't mind putting my nose to the grind stone when it leads to achieving a goal.
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Hey guys thank you for the feedback. I think everyone's situation is unique to them. Older fellas need stability and don't have time on their side to bounce back. Younger fellas can make riskier moves and have time to recover if necessary. I do have 650 turbine PIC in Twin otters, caravans, king airs - all single pilot. I realize that upgrade is a daunting task - especially at a new company and in a new to me airplane. That being said I am up for the challenge. Right seat in the E Jet has made me a very lazy pilot in general and the challenge is non existent anymore. I live for the challenge of flying and constant learning in aviation. Being 26 years old I feel that I can make this decision and either benefit greatly or fail and not have to wonder if I could have done it. Living in fear (potential to bust a checkride) only slows me down and holds me back in life. I am going to move forward with the DEC position at GoJet as I feel I have far more to gain than to lose.
Words like "eventually" or "sooner or later" just don't hold much weight with me as I have no control over the decisions that a airline makes which effect me directly. Flows and upgrades based on seniority are not guaranteed. However a CA position at GoJet is there for me to have - I just need to put in the work during training. Its on my back. I like having as much control over my career as possible and 121 PIC time is indisputably valuable in aviation. Yes there might be easier and or safer routes - but I'm not looking for the path of least resistance. |
Originally Posted by garrett490
(Post 2281536)
Hey guys thank you for the feedback. I think everyone's situation is unique to them. Older fellas need stability and don't have time on their side to bounce back. Younger fellas can make riskier moves and have time to recover if necessary. I do have 650 turbine PIC in Twin otters, caravans, king airs - all single pilot. I realize that upgrade is a daunting task - especially at a new company and in a new to me airplane. That being said I am up for the challenge. Right seat in the E Jet has made me a very lazy pilot in general and the challenge is non existent anymore. I live for the challenge of flying and constant learning in aviation. Being 26 years old I feel that I can make this decision and either benefit greatly or fail and not have to wonder if I could have done it. Living in fear (potential to bust a checkride) only slows me down and holds me back in life. I am going to move forward with the DEC position at GoJet as I feel I have far more to gain than to lose.
Words like "eventually" or "sooner or later" just don't hold much weight with me as I have no control over the decisions that a airline makes which effect me directly. Flows and upgrades based on seniority are not guaranteed. However a CA position at GoJet is there for me to have - I just need to put in the work during training. Its on my back. I like having as much control over my career as possible and 121 PIC time is indisputably valuable in aviation. Yes there might be easier and or safer routes - but I'm not looking for the path of least resistance. |
Originally Posted by garrett490
(Post 2281219)
Hi folks I'm highly considering a DEC position with GoJet. I've been with Mesa for 21 months and upgrades have slowed to about 8 per month total. 2 E jet and 6 CRJ per last award. I'm on the E-Jet. This industry is very cyclical as we all know. I missed the wave at Mesa by about 6 months. Now we are in a position where there are more United E Jets to be had but our low pay, and overall weak contract doesn't allow us to attract the FOs we need to take on more E jets. You see the predicament. Yes if they can get the ball rolling again I'll upgrade quickly and hold a line. However, this current stagnation and weak contract doesn't paint an optimistic picture. As we all know PIC time is gold in aviation. Whether your applying to Delta or a corporate Citation gig - PIC time puts your resume at the top of the pile. The thing that attracts me to GoJet is the direct entry captain. Instead of waiting and or hoping based on projections to upgrade at ANY other regional - I can start class as a CA making 70/hr. PIC time and money. Two things that allow me to get to where I want to go. The question is what is this going to cost me? If I'm not gonna be flying then its costing me time. If they do withhold pay then its costing me money. If their schedules aren't commutable it could cost me quality of life. I don't mind putting my nose to the grind stone when it leads to achieving a goal.
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If you're going to take the risk of a failed event at a new company, at least do it in an upward direction, not a lateral one. You have just as much of a chance of passing with PDT or EDV, and the promise of a heck of a lot more money to be made while you sit on RSV for a couple of years watching all the FOs who upgrade bypass you on their way to a line.
At GoJet, you won't get any bonus. You will at the other two. At EDV, you'll make $80,600 FY CA pay on the 900, though you may have to sit as a FO for a bid period or two, lowering that amount a bit. It will still be about $23K more than GoJet. Not sure how the pay would pan out at PDT, but certainly less than EDV. At both places, it makes more sense to start as an FO to get the max bonuses, then bid for CA after you have flown for a bit as an FO. Just my 2¢. I think at GoJet, it's a lateral move, while at the other two, it would be more of a vertical move for you.
Originally Posted by garrett490
(Post 2281536)
Hey guys thank you for the feedback. I think everyone's situation is unique to them. Older fellas need stability and don't have time on their side to bounce back. Younger fellas can make riskier moves and have time to recover if necessary. I do have 650 turbine PIC in Twin otters, caravans, king airs - all single pilot. I realize that upgrade is a daunting task - especially at a new company and in a new to me airplane. That being said I am up for the challenge. Right seat in the E Jet has made me a very lazy pilot in general and the challenge is non existent anymore. I live for the challenge of flying and constant learning in aviation. Being 26 years old I feel that I can make this decision and either benefit greatly or fail and not have to wonder if I could have done it. Living in fear (potential to bust a checkride) only slows me down and holds me back in life. I am going to move forward with the DEC position at GoJet as I feel I have far more to gain than to lose.
Words like "eventually" or "sooner or later" just don't hold much weight with me as I have no control over the decisions that a airline makes which effect me directly. Flows and upgrades based on seniority are not guaranteed. However a CA position at GoJet is there for me to have - I just need to put in the work during training. Its on my back. I like having as much control over my career as possible and 121 PIC time is indisputably valuable in aviation. Yes there might be easier and or safer routes - but I'm not looking for the path of least resistance. |
Originally Posted by moflyer
(Post 2281362)
If you come as a DEC, does the longevity incentive apply? If it did I would be willing to sit reserve in STL for a long time. Also how is the insurance?
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Originally Posted by Jet Jockey 00
(Post 2281620)
If you want PIC time you can go to Piedmont. Our junior captain was hired 6 months ago. We have many guys from Mesa in our classes they are doing great. Many of our captains are making over 100k with overtime pay at 300%. Example picking up just 1 day of flying 4 hr. block get's paid 16 hrs. Some guys are making Airbus Capt. wages picking up OT.
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Originally Posted by garrett490
(Post 2281536)
Hey guys thank you for the feedback. I think everyone's situation is unique to them. Older fellas need stability and don't have time on their side to bounce back. Younger fellas can make riskier moves and have time to recover if necessary. I do have 650 turbine PIC in Twin otters, caravans, king airs - all single pilot. I realize that upgrade is a daunting task - especially at a new company and in a new to me airplane. That being said I am up for the challenge. Right seat in the E Jet has made me a very lazy pilot in general and the challenge is non existent anymore. I live for the challenge of flying and constant learning in aviation. Being 26 years old I feel that I can make this decision and either benefit greatly or fail and not have to wonder if I could have done it. Living in fear (potential to bust a checkride) only slows me down and holds me back in life. I am going to move forward with the DEC position at GoJet as I feel I have far more to gain than to lose.
Words like "eventually" or "sooner or later" just don't hold much weight with me as I have no control over the decisions that a airline makes which effect me directly. Flows and upgrades based on seniority are not guaranteed. However a CA position at GoJet is there for me to have - I just need to put in the work during training. Its on my back. I like having as much control over my career as possible and 121 PIC time is indisputably valuable in aviation. Yes there might be easier and or safer routes - but I'm not looking for the path of least resistance. Wrong answer. Sounds like you are not happy or comfortable with what you have, if you can't be happy with what you have you will never be happy with anything else even a job at a major. I remember at 26 I had it all figured out too. I would strongly look at why you are not happy right now, and the answer should not be because I need to be CA. On that basis you won't be happy at gojet and it's almost guaranteed you will settle for some other crappy job when United doesn't call because you can't take another gojet trip. That's what happens to most DEC. |
Originally Posted by garrett490
(Post 2281536)
Hey guys thank you for the feedback. I think everyone's situation is unique to them. Older fellas need stability and don't have time on their side to bounce back. Younger fellas can make riskier moves and have time to recover if necessary. I do have 650 turbine PIC in Twin otters, caravans, king airs - all single pilot. I realize that upgrade is a daunting task - especially at a new company and in a new to me airplane. That being said I am up for the challenge. Right seat in the E Jet has made me a very lazy pilot in general and the challenge is non existent anymore. I live for the challenge of flying and constant learning in aviation. Being 26 years old I feel that I can make this decision and either benefit greatly or fail and not have to wonder if I could have done it. Living in fear (potential to bust a checkride) only slows me down and holds me back in life. I am going to move forward with the DEC position at GoJet as I feel I have far more to gain than to lose.
Words like "eventually" or "sooner or later" just don't hold much weight with me as I have no control over the decisions that a airline makes which effect me directly. Flows and upgrades based on seniority are not guaranteed. However a CA position at GoJet is there for me to have - I just need to put in the work during training. Its on my back. I like having as much control over my career as possible and 121 PIC time is indisputably valuable in aviation. Yes there might be easier and or safer routes - but I'm not looking for the path of least resistance. |
Originally Posted by garrett490
(Post 2281219)
Hi folks I'm highly considering a DEC position with GoJet. I've been with Mesa for 21 months and upgrades have slowed to about 8 per month total. 2 E jet and 6 CRJ per last award. I'm on the E-Jet. This industry is very cyclical as we all know. I missed the wave at Mesa by about 6 months. Now we are in a position where there are more United E Jets to be had but our low pay, and overall weak contract doesn't allow us to attract the FOs we need to take on more E jets. You see the predicament. Yes if they can get the ball rolling again I'll upgrade quickly and hold a line. However, this current stagnation and weak contract doesn't paint an optimistic picture. As we all know PIC time is gold in aviation. Whether your applying to Delta or a corporate Citation gig - PIC time puts your resume at the top of the pile. The thing that attracts me to GoJet is the direct entry captain. Instead of waiting and or hoping based on projections to upgrade at ANY other regional - I can start class as a CA making 70/hr. PIC time and money. Two things that allow me to get to where I want to go. The question is what is this going to cost me? If I'm not gonna be flying then its costing me time. If they do withhold pay then its costing me money. If their schedules aren't commutable it could cost me quality of life. I don't mind putting my nose to the grind stone when it leads to achieving a goal.
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You're 26.....you've got plenty of time pal. Mesa to G7 would be the most idiotic thing you could do, IMHO. TPIC doesn't really get you ahead anymore, it's luck now a days. Have a little patience, humility and networking skills, those will get you 10X further in this industry over TPIC......just food for thought.
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So I heard from someone that G7 is hiring direct entry captains, at your longevity from your current airline, with the bonus. Lies, or truth?
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Bonus and Longevity Program
See link pasted below for GoJet's current DEC and FO bonuses and incentives. Quick answer yes you get your longevity pay and $15k in bonus for current 121 E170 or CL-65 type even as a DEC. I'll be looking at $70/hr and $15k in bonuses. $12k for having E170 type and $3k "training bonus" just for going to GoJet.
http://gojetairlines.com/SiteCollect...e%20Rating.pdf |
Originally Posted by wmupilot85
(Post 2281927)
So I heard from someone that G7 is hiring direct entry captains, at your longevity from your current airline, with the bonus. Lies, or truth?
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Holy hellalottareserve, Robin...
Originally Posted by Five93H
(Post 2281944)
Holy desperation Batman.
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Originally Posted by Five93H
(Post 2281944)
Holy desperation Batman.
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I have also been offered a DEC spot at GoJets. I have been working as a contract ATR capt overseas for the past 9 years and have about 9000 hours. My employer went out of business in November and I can't stomach another ATR contract in the developing world. I know everyone will say to get on with a major or LCC but I also need to eat and stay current and they aren't exactly beating down my door with job offers. I also can't get excited about FO pay at a "better" regional. Am I crazy to consider this option? Appreciate your thoughts.
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How many 121 hours do you have?
Originally Posted by gypsypilot
(Post 2281986)
I have also been offered a DEC spot at GoJets. I have been working as a contract ATR capt overseas for the past 9 years and have about 9000 hours. My employer went out of business in November and I can't stomach another ATR contract in the developing world. I know everyone will say to get on with a major or LCC but I also need to eat and stay current and they aren't exactly beating down my door with job offers. I also can't get excited about FO pay at a "better" regional. Am I crazy to consider this option? Appreciate your thoughts.
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Lord almighty...are you REALLY considering jumping from MESA to Gojets?? C'mon man, if you're gonna leave you might as well go to one of the better regionals. Gojets and Mesa are literally the worst 2 regionals in the industry. Don't do it all in the name of PIC. Think about how many thousands of guys out there are sitting around with thousands of hours of PIC and still stuck at a regional. You might as well stick out your time at a place with some of the better contracts and pay out there. Endeavor, Skywest or any of the AA WOs would be a much better choice.
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
(Post 2282001)
How many 121 hours do you have?
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Originally Posted by gypsypilot
(Post 2281986)
I have also been offered a DEC spot at GoJets. I have been working as a contract ATR capt overseas for the past 9 years and have about 9000 hours. My employer went out of business in November and I can't stomach another ATR contract in the developing world. I know everyone will say to get on with a major or LCC but I also need to eat and stay current and they aren't exactly beating down my door with job offers. I also can't get excited about FO pay at a "better" regional. Am I crazy to consider this option? Appreciate your thoughts.
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Originally Posted by gypsypilot
(Post 2281986)
I have also been offered a DEC spot at GoJets. I have been working as a contract ATR capt overseas for the past 9 years and have about 9000 hours. My employer went out of business in November and I can't stomach another ATR contract in the developing world. I know everyone will say to get on with a major or LCC but I also need to eat and stay current and they aren't exactly beating down my door with job offers. I also can't get excited about FO pay at a "better" regional. Am I crazy to consider this option? Appreciate your thoughts.
I started out in the uninformed category but quickly progressed to the stupid category. Now I would consider myself stupid and crazy but at least I am now informed. |
Originally Posted by MrSkywest
(Post 2282179)
Possibly. If you don't know anything about them then nobody would call you crazy, but why would you go to a place without knowing anything about it? If you have educated yourself about them then there could be two reasons to consider Gojet, you could be crazy, or if you are not crazy then the other option is that you are stupid.
I started out in the uninformed category but quickly progressed to the stupid category. Now I would consider myself stupid and crazy but at least I am now informed. |
Originally Posted by theclaw
(Post 2282362)
Mr. Skywest, your Gojet trolling is quite entertaining. :D
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Originally Posted by MrSkywest
(Post 2282526)
To be clear, I was referring to my time at Gojet. Skywest is a big improvement. I feel bad for all of the Gojet guys, even the ones who don't know they are being abused. Educate yourselves before you go anywhere. Don't go to a place just for the base or for the quick upgrade. If Gojet or Mesa or someone similar loses 10 or 20 planes when a contract is not renewed you might be become a DEC flying in the right seat for the next 3 or 4 years. Go where the growth is. Which regionals have planes on order?
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Originally Posted by MrSkywest
(Post 2282526)
To be clear, I was referring to my time at Gojet. Skywest is a big improvement. I feel bad for all of the Gojet guys, even the ones who don't know they are being abused. Educate yourselves before you go anywhere. Don't go to a place just for the base or for the quick upgrade. If Gojet or Mesa or someone similar loses 10 or 20 planes when a contract is not renewed you might be become a DEC flying in the right seat for the next 3 or 4 years. Go where the growth is. Which regionals have planes on order?
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Originally Posted by gypsypilot
(Post 2282671)
What specifically is better at Skywest than at GoJets?
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
(Post 2282719)
Life......
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I guess I will make my question very simple. Is it better for one to be a new hire FO at Skywest or a DEC at GoJets? Why?
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Originally Posted by gypsypilot
(Post 2282671)
What specifically is better at Skywest than at GoJets?
One has planes on order the other does not. One treats people with respect, the other treats people with contempt. One believes in paying people what they earned, the other resents every penny it pays its pilots because pilots should work for free, after all they are working their way to the majors. One has experienced, intelligent management, the other "takes his marching orders". One has standups that pay well, one day trips, 2 day trips, 3, and 4 day trips, the other has standups that pay 2/3 what the other pays and 4 day trips. One you can drop and add trips, the other you might be able to make a trade once a year. One has an HR department that knows what it is doing, the other just fires anyone who has a problem. One allows you vacation, the other one takes pride in cheating you out of it. One allows you to jumpseat home after your last trip, the other cuts your CASS first and makes you buy a ticket home, and they suggest you make it a train ticket. Both have good guys working there. One has 4.2 per day minimum, one has 4 but only if you start before noon and finish after 5pm so a 4 day trip has a guarantee of 10 hours at times. One has many bases and is about to move into the East Coast big time, the other has several small bases. One is getting another 50 ERJ-175s in the next 6 months, the other is trying to make guys think they are getting some. One has an effective non-union, the other has a union with no power. It took me about 10 minutes to go through the posts and make the list. I stayed away from the more contentious ones. How did I do? You can research which is on each side of the list. |
Originally Posted by Flysafeeveryone
(Post 2282807)
One is growing and the other is not.
One has planes on order the other does not. One treats people with respect, the other treats people with contempt. One believes in paying people what they earned, the other resents every penny it pays its pilots because pilots should work for free, after all they are working their way to the majors. One has experienced, intelligent management, the other "takes his marching orders". One has standups that pay well, one day trips, 2 day trips, 3, and 4 day trips, the other has standups that pay 2/3 what the other pays and 4 day trips. One you can drop and add trips, the other you might be able to make a trade once a year. One has an HR department that knows what it is doing, the other just fires anyone who has a problem. One allows you vacation, the other one takes pride in cheating you out of it. One allows you to jumpseat home after your last trip, the other cuts your CASS first and makes you buy a ticket home, and they suggest you make it a train ticket. Both have good guys working there. One has 4.2 per day minimum, one has 4 but only if you start before noon and finish after 5pm so a 4 day trip has a guarantee of 10 hours at times. One has many bases and is about to move into the East Coast big time, the other has several small bases. One is getting another 50 ERJ-175s in the next 6 months, the other is trying to make guys think they are getting some. One has an effective non-union, the other has a union with no power. It took me about 10 minutes to go through the posts and make the list. I stayed away from the more contentious ones. How did I do? You can research which is on each side of the list. |
I'm definitely not going to go out and bash any other regional, Mesa, SKW or the lot. No doubt that SKW has a long standing good reputation, and even I had to think about going there or G7. Likewise, right now is a great time to be at a wholly owned. PSA offers SAP and flow. Envoy is expanding at an amazing rate. Endeavor is on par with Envoy with the expansion. They all might have good and bad things about them. However, 90% of the G7 bashing comes from people that have never worked here, and others that just make stuff up. I hate to sound like the G7 cheerleader, because G7 does have it's problems, but it doesn't deserve the bashing it receives on this forum.
Originally Posted by Flysafeeveryone
(Post 2282807)
One is growing and the other is not. We took on 7 900's last year, almost a 10% growth
One has planes on order the other does not.Supposdly, just rumor, a company wanted us to take on more flying, but managment wanted to fix our performance issues. again, just a rumor but take that at what you will One treats people with respect, the other treats people with contempt. I've never been disrespected. I show up to work, do my job and go home. Never had any issues One believes in paying people what they earned, the other resents every penny it pays its pilots because pilots should work for free, after all they are working their way to the majors. I've never had any pay issues. There was an issue of an over-payment mistake, and the company only took 1/2 of the over-payment back, basically given a bit of free money. Most pay discrepancies seem to be an issue with Lufthansa when picking up open time. One has experienced, intelligent management, the other "takes his marching orders". Again, I've never had any issues. Being a smaller company, I've actually gotten to know both my CP and DO on a personal level. I've called my DO on a Saturday afternoon just to ask a couple questions. One has standups that pay well, one day trips, 2 day trips, 3, and 4 day trips, the other has standups that pay 2/3 what the other pays and 4 day trips. We have single day, 2 day, 3 day and 4 day trips. True, our min day has some weak language, but honestly we don't do that many CDO's (stand-ups, High-Speeds). And mostly our schedules are 5 plus hour per day trips. My average 4 day trips last month were 24-26 hours credit. One you can drop and add trips, the other you might be able to make a trade once a year.It's automated through Lufthansa, which can be tough but not impossible. It's easier to find someone to pick up your trips, which happen all the time. One has an HR department that knows what it is doing, the other just fires anyone who has a problem. C'mon really? Not something I've heard of. The rumor always starts out that way, but usually the truth comes out over time. One allows you vacation, the other one takes pride in cheating you out of it. My vacation hasn't been canceled! Oh, and last year they were paying 300% buy-back during critical times. I made almost $4500 last year on a 4 day pick-up. One allows you to jumpseat home after your last trip, the other cuts your CASS first and makes you buy a ticket home, and they suggest you make it a train ticket. Again, nothing I've heard of happeneing Both have good guys working there. Agreed! I have a bunch of friends at SKW too! One has 4.2 per day minimum, one has 4 but only if you start before noon and finish after 5pm so a 4 day trip has a guarantee of 10 hours at times. Agreed, some week language, but maybe 5% of our flying happens in that time, and we have a pretty high average credit so it rarely becomes an issue. One has many bases and is about to move into the East Coast big time, the other has several small bases. Honestly I wish G7 had west coast bases. I've been stuck flying east of DEN my entire 121 career. However, if you want East coast, I'd look into other regionals, PDT, PSA, ENV etc... One is getting another 50 ERJ-175s in the next 6 months, the other is trying to make guys think they are getting some. No one has said we are getting any more flying here. Again, the rumor is we turned down flying. One has an effective non-union, the other has a union with no power.I don't know anything about SAPA, so no comment on that, but Teamsters is no better or worse than ALPA when it comes to regionals. It took me about 10 minutes to go through the posts and make the list. I stayed away from the more contentious ones. How did I do? You can research which is on each side of the list. Fast forward to training. On day 2 we got our company IDs, and by the first weekend we were in CASS. Half the class went jump-seated home that first weekend. First couple paychecks come in for of written check, in a training folder. 2 weeks of indoc, then on to systems training. All systems training is done at Flight Safety in STL. The instructors were excellent. I've been through a couple different flight safetys, and these guys were def some of the best I've had. Simulator training can be done by either G7 staff or flight safety. I had flight safety instructors, who again were excellent. The check ride was intense, but if I can do it with no CRJ experience, anyone can. The training overall was really no different than the training experience I had when I was at RAH. Hotels, well overall are amazing! The extended stay in STL sucks, but that is only for training. And it is nice to have a full kitchen. After training though, I've never had a bad hotel while here. Typically we stay at Crown Plaza, Hilton, Marriott, Double Tree, Cambria Suites etc. Every place we go usually has an great gym and good restaurants close by (thanks hotel committee!) Reserve life at any regional blows, especially if you are a commuter, but it is manageable here. Every one that doesn't get a line is assigned long call reserve (LCR) which is a 12 hour call out. Scheduling can then change two of the LCR sits to short call reserve (SCR). Scheduling can change just 1 day or a stretch of days, but those days have to be together. So you'll basically get 2 stretches of LCR and 2 of SCR. Because I'm a commuter, I average about 15 days at home per month. So far this month I have a minimum of 13 days off on reserve with another LCR stretch coming up. We do have Airport Reserve, but because it counts as one of the 2 conversions, scheduling rarely uses it. I've only sat Airport reserve one time in the year and that was middle of the summer during holiday peak. We have the typical commuter policy, 2 different listing that have to be at least 1 hour apart to use the commuter clause. Also, the company pays for 4 hotels per month. I've actually gotten more, usually by joking and bargaining with scheduling. They've asked me to take an extension and I jokingly say with an extra commuter hotel, sure! Open time can be picked up by anyone and traded if you are holding a line. All open time is 150% on top of guarantee. Typically open time credits for 200% and up to 300% during peak season. I made nearly $4500 for a four day trip last year, all on top of guarantee. My first year pay is over $75k with only 1 open time trip picked up, 1 month above guarantee and no bonuses. I've picked up about 270 hours in the left (300ish if you count IOE)seat and about 25 hours in the right. I held a line over the summer last year in STL and I just bid DTW where I'll hold a line there at 1 year seniority. Does G7 have it's problems, sure. However this place has treated me really well. I've been treated with respect, only asked to do my job and nothing that was against the contract, illegal or unsafe. Moral here is actually really good, believe it or not. I also know that G7 has a checkered past, but I honestly haven't seen any of it in my time here. |
Originally Posted by gypsypilot
(Post 2282811)
Thanks! That's what I was looking for. Definitely appreciate your time.
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Originally Posted by bkey79
(Post 2282949)
I'm definitely not going to go out and bash any other regional, Mesa, SKW or the lot. No doubt that SKW has a long standing good reputation, and even I had to think about going there or G7. Likewise, right now is a great time to be at a wholly owned. PSA offers SAP and flow. Envoy is expanding at an amazing rate. Endeavor is on par with Envoy with the expansion. They all might have good and bad things about them. However, 90% of the G7 bashing comes from people that have never worked here, and others that just make stuff up. I hate to sound like the G7 cheerleader, because G7 does have it's problems, but it doesn't deserve the bashing it receives on this forum.
So I was a street captain hired almost 1 year ago today. When I applied, I had heard all the bad talk about G7 and was very skeptical about coming here. I have no training failures, in good standing with all previous employers, I'm prior military (non-flying) and had a great med-evac job with amazing benefits. When I applied, G7 sent a recruiter to my hometown to interview me. Honestly, I thought that was really cool. That recruiter and I sat down and officially interviewed for about 30 minutes when he then offered me a street captain job. We then BS'ed for about another hour, as I had my doubts about leaving my job for G7. I accepted the offer, kinda hesitantly but hopeful. Fast forward to training. On day 2 we got our company IDs, and by the first weekend we were in CASS. Half the class went jump-seated home that first weekend. First couple paychecks come in for of written check, in a training folder. 2 weeks of indoc, then on to systems training. All systems training is done at Flight Safety in STL. The instructors were excellent. I've been through a couple different flight safetys, and these guys were def some of the best I've had. Simulator training can be done by either G7 staff or flight safety. I had flight safety instructors, who again were excellent. The check ride was intense, but if I can do it with no CRJ experience, anyone can. The training overall was really no different than the training experience I had when I was at RAH. Hotels, well overall are amazing! The extended stay in STL sucks, but that is only for training. And it is nice to have a full kitchen. After training though, I've never had a bad hotel while here. Typically we stay at Crown Plaza, Hilton, Marriott, Double Tree, Cambria Suites etc. Every place we go usually has an great gym and good restaurants close by (thanks hotel committee!) Reserve life at any regional blows, especially if you are a commuter, but it is manageable here. Every one that doesn't get a line is assigned long call reserve (LCR) which is a 12 hour call out. Scheduling can then change two of the LCR sits to short call reserve (SCR). Scheduling can change just 1 day or a stretch of days, but those days have to be together. So you'll basically get 2 stretches of LCR and 2 of SCR. Because I'm a commuter, I average about 15 days at home per month. So far this month I have a minimum of 13 days off on reserve with another LCR stretch coming up. We do have Airport Reserve, but because it counts as one of the 2 conversions, scheduling rarely uses it. I've only sat Airport reserve one time in the year and that was middle of the summer during holiday peak. We have the typical commuter policy, 2 different listing that have to be at least 1 hour apart to use the commuter clause. Also, the company pays for 4 hotels per month. I've actually gotten more, usually by joking and bargaining with scheduling. They've asked me to take an extension and I jokingly say with an extra commuter hotel, sure! Open time can be picked up by anyone and traded if you are holding a line. All open time is 150% on top of guarantee. Typically open time credits for 200% and up to 300% during peak season. I made nearly $4500 for a four day trip last year, all on top of guarantee. My first year pay is over $75k with only 1 open time trip picked up, 1 month above guarantee and no bonuses. I've picked up about 270 hours in the left (300ish if you count IOE)seat and about 25 hours in the right. I held a line over the summer last year in STL and I just bid DTW where I'll hold a line there at 1 year seniority. Does G7 have it's problems, sure. However this place has treated me really well. I've been treated with respect, only asked to do my job and nothing that was against the contract, illegal or unsafe. Moral here is actually really good, believe it or not. I also know that G7 has a checkered past, but I honestly haven't seen any of it in my time here. Thank you very much for taking the time to write up this information. I really appreciate the different insights as I transition my career back to the USA. The last several posts have been very helpful. |
Gojet is great, until they ruin your life.
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Do yourself a favor. Avoid gojet to be a captain. Just don't do it.
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