Southwest and JetBlue shouldn't be majors.
01-06-2018, 02:58 AM
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Southwest and JetBlue shouldn't be majors.
They shouldn't be considered majors in my opinion. Here's why.
They do most of their flying in the US, and land at a lot of obscure airports (just like regionals)
Southwest doesn't even fly to Canada, but they do fly to Mexico and a few Carribean Islands. Guess who does too? Regionals.
The same thing applies to JetBlue.
So I've concluded that we should start referring to JetBlue and Southwest as regionals since regional pilots fly to even more international destinations than they do.
They do most of their flying in the US, and land at a lot of obscure airports (just like regionals)
Southwest doesn't even fly to Canada, but they do fly to Mexico and a few Carribean Islands. Guess who does too? Regionals.
The same thing applies to JetBlue.
So I've concluded that we should start referring to JetBlue and Southwest as regionals since regional pilots fly to even more international destinations than they do.
01-06-2018, 03:57 AM
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Southwest and JetBlue shouldn't be majors.
I see what you’re saying, but don’t both of these companies fly to Central and South America? And isn’t Southwest in the process of going to Hawaii? Obscure airports??? Like mainline Delta flying into Keywest from time-to-time? 
Wait...why is this in the Major’s section? Shouldn’t this be in Hangar Talk? Sorry for all the questions.
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Wait...why is this in the Major’s section? Shouldn’t this be in Hangar Talk? Sorry for all the questions.
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01-06-2018, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ceelo
They shouldn't be considered majors in my opinion. Here's why.
They do most of their flying in the US, and land at a lot of obscure airports (just like regionals)
Southwest doesn't even fly to Canada, but they do fly to Mexico and a few Carribean Islands. Guess who does too? Regionals.
The same thing applies to JetBlue.
So I've concluded that we should start referring to JetBlue and Southwest as regionals since regional pilots fly to even more international destinations than they do.
They do most of their flying in the US, and land at a lot of obscure airports (just like regionals)
Southwest doesn't even fly to Canada, but they do fly to Mexico and a few Carribean Islands. Guess who does too? Regionals.
The same thing applies to JetBlue.
So I've concluded that we should start referring to JetBlue and Southwest as regionals since regional pilots fly to even more international destinations than they do.
01-06-2018, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ceelo
They shouldn't be considered majors in my opinion. Here's why.
They do most of their flying in the US, and land at a lot of obscure airports (just like regionals)
Southwest doesn't even fly to Canada, but they do fly to Mexico and a few Carribean Islands. Guess who does too? Regionals.
The same thing applies to JetBlue.
So I've concluded that we should start referring to JetBlue and Southwest as regionals since regional pilots fly to even more international destinations than they do.
They do most of their flying in the US, and land at a lot of obscure airports (just like regionals)
Southwest doesn't even fly to Canada, but they do fly to Mexico and a few Carribean Islands. Guess who does too? Regionals.
The same thing applies to JetBlue.
So I've concluded that we should start referring to JetBlue and Southwest as regionals since regional pilots fly to even more international destinations than they do.
01-06-2018, 04:54 AM
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^ spot on. My major is more of a regional than these two. At Alaska we even win awards for being one of the best regional airlines in North America. Oh and we are treated worse than regional pilots too. Alaska for Regional Section on APC 2018!!!!
01-06-2018, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ceelo
They shouldn't be considered majors in my opinion. Here's why.
They do most of their flying in the US, and land at a lot of obscure airports (just like regionals)
Southwest doesn't even fly to Canada, but they do fly to Mexico and a few Carribean Islands. Guess who does too? Regionals.
The same thing applies to JetBlue.
So I've concluded that we should start referring to JetBlue and Southwest as regionals since regional pilots fly to even more international destinations than they do.
They do most of their flying in the US, and land at a lot of obscure airports (just like regionals)
Southwest doesn't even fly to Canada, but they do fly to Mexico and a few Carribean Islands. Guess who does too? Regionals.
The same thing applies to JetBlue.
So I've concluded that we should start referring to JetBlue and Southwest as regionals since regional pilots fly to even more international destinations than they do.
AA/DL/UA also do most of their flying in the US, should they be degraded from Legacy to Majors to Domestics?
You shouldn't even use the word "regionals" for operators flying over 2 hrs and across international borders. Skywest, Republic are "contract" operators but the word regional has been in age vocabulary forever, even if the flying Piedmont does is incomparable to what Republic operate out of their Miami base.
JetBlue, Southwest are and remain Major airlines.
01-06-2018, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ceelo
They shouldn't be considered majors in my opinion. Here's why.
They do most of their flying in the US, and land at a lot of obscure airports (just like regionals)
Southwest doesn't even fly to Canada, but they do fly to Mexico and a few Carribean Islands. Guess who does too? Regionals.
The same thing applies to JetBlue.
So I've concluded that we should start referring to JetBlue and Southwest as regionals since regional pilots fly to even more international destinations than they do.
They do most of their flying in the US, and land at a lot of obscure airports (just like regionals)
Southwest doesn't even fly to Canada, but they do fly to Mexico and a few Carribean Islands. Guess who does too? Regionals.
The same thing applies to JetBlue.
So I've concluded that we should start referring to JetBlue and Southwest as regionals since regional pilots fly to even more international destinations than they do.
A Regional Airline is the “US term for an air carrier with annual operating revenue below $100 million.”
01-06-2018, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Panzon
These are very important distinctions you’ve made. A committee should be formed to study this.
01-06-2018, 07:19 AM
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The federal government definition of a major airline is based on annual revenue, so SKW and other big regionals qualify.
The accepted industry definition (which we apply here at APC in how the forums are organized), is someone who flies at least narrowbodies and sells tickets to the public.
A regional includes Fee for Departure, and also some small boutique prop airlines which actually sell tickets. Most FFD regionals got started as the later, but few or none still sell tickets.
A Legacy is anyone who was around prior to de-regulation, today considered to be DAL/AA/UA/HI/AS. SWA actually existed prior to de-regulation, but maybe they didn't make the legacy cut because they were a small intra-state carrier at the time?
LCC/ULCC is a little fuzzy. A LCC could be a SWA or B6, and ULCC would be NK, F9, or taken to the extreme ryanair.
The accepted industry definition (which we apply here at APC in how the forums are organized), is someone who flies at least narrowbodies and sells tickets to the public.
A regional includes Fee for Departure, and also some small boutique prop airlines which actually sell tickets. Most FFD regionals got started as the later, but few or none still sell tickets.
A Legacy is anyone who was around prior to de-regulation, today considered to be DAL/AA/UA/HI/AS. SWA actually existed prior to de-regulation, but maybe they didn't make the legacy cut because they were a small intra-state carrier at the time?
LCC/ULCC is a little fuzzy. A LCC could be a SWA or B6, and ULCC would be NK, F9, or taken to the extreme ryanair.
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