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Old 02-26-2019, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey View Post
False equivalency for the win.
No, that's not what false equivalency is, but the green new deal, or moreover, the Democratic platform is certainly a false dilemma.
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Old 02-26-2019, 11:12 AM
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No, that's not what false equivalency is, but the green new deal, or moreover, the Democratic platform is certainly a false dilemma.
You found one instance of the current and inadequate US system as a defense that it's a bad idea. That's a stupid argument. The whole GND emphasizes modernizing, improving and introducing HS rail.

What you just did was correlate Rt 66 traffic jams pre-interstate as a reason an interstate highway system wouldn't work.
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I can't speak to Route 66, but I know that I-66 is the perfect metaphor for what goes on, and more importantly, what fails to go on in Washington DC.
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I can't speak to Route 66, but I know that I-66 is the perfect metaphor for what goes on, and more importantly, what fails to go on in Washington DC.
We’d have half as many cars on the road at rush hour if American complains paid employees enough to support a family of four with healthcare and a retirement. That way one parent could stay home. That’s not a reality for most Americans which is why you have so much traffic and also a shift towards people wanting from the government what businesses used to provide a generation ago. We as Americans haven’t really changed. How we are compensated has.
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https://youtu.be/Cb65_3Gmf_s

2024 campaign slogan....

“I’m the boss! How bout dat!?”
That young lady is the best anti-drug commercial I’ve seen in a while......

Wonder what her mommy was on.... Draino? Maybe bathtub meth?

AOC truly shows that brain-damaged people can go far.

She is pure comedy gold!
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey View Post
You found one instance of the current and inadequate US system as a defense that it's a bad idea. That's a stupid argument. The whole GND emphasizes modernizing, improving and introducing HS rail.

What you just did was correlate Rt 66 traffic jams pre-interstate as a reason an interstate highway system wouldn't work.
Even California couldn't make it work with almost 100 billion and a super majority. If they can't make it work there it won't work anywhere.
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Even California couldn't make it work with almost 100 billion and a super majority. If they can't make it work there it won't work anywhere.
Because they were stupid and built the first line between two nowhere cities. You build the first segment between LA and Vegas and you have a bigley different result.
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post
We’d have half as many cars on the road at rush hour if American complains paid employees enough to support a family of four with healthcare and a retirement. That way one parent could stay home. That’s not a reality for most Americans which is why you have so much traffic and also a shift towards people wanting from the government what businesses used to provide a generation ago. We as Americans haven’t really changed. How we are compensated has.
Negative.

We make far, far more in adjusted dollars than our grandparents on average.

The main difference is lifestyle. People of that generation had no concept of taking out small loans for shoes, clothes, dinner or cars, furniture or whatever useless crap.

Back then, people owned far less stuff. Houses were smaller, they were paid for in 20 years, and everything in them was paid for.

Now, people are slaves for debt. All these tiny loans people take out with credit cards for lifestyle stuff really add up. That’s a big part of why both spouses work.

The other component is tax. We pay far more tax now. I bet my grandparents paid less than 20% combined (fed, local, state, property.). I pay damned near 50%
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Negative.

We make far, far more in adjusted dollars than our grandparents on average.

The main difference is lifestyle. People of that generation had no concept of taking out small loans for shoes, clothes, dinner or cars, furniture or whatever useless crap.

Back then, people owned far less stuff. Houses were smaller, they were paid for in 20 years, and everything in them was paid for.

Now, people are slaves for debt. All these tiny loans people take out with credit cards for lifestyle stuff really add up. That’s a big part of why both spouses work.

The other component is tax. We pay far more tax now. I bet my grbdparents paid less than 20% combined (fed, local, state, property.). I pay damned near 50%
Nailed it. Young adults want now what it took their parents decades to accumulate, and they want to finance every penny of it.

And really, this goes back a decade or two with “young adults”.
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Originally Posted by jcountry View Post
Negative.

We make far, far more in adjusted dollars than our grandparents on average.

The main difference is lifestyle. People of that generation had no concept of taking out small loans for shoes, clothes, dinner or cars, furniture or whatever useless crap.

Back then, people owned far less stuff. Houses were smaller, they were paid for in 20 years, and everything in them was paid for.

Now, people are slaves for debt. All these tiny loans people take out with credit cards for lifestyle stuff really add up. That’s a big part of why both spouses work.

The other component is tax. We pay far more tax now. I bet my grandparents paid less than 20% combined (fed, local, state, property.). I pay damned near 50%
I'm guessing your grandparents weren't in the top 5% of income earners?
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