TSA to start facial recognition
04-26-2022, 09:53 AM
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04-29-2022, 06:47 AM
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I don't provide fingerprints any more at the global kiosk when entering the US. It takes my picture and already has my data. I don't even scan the passport now.
The system know whom I am. Which is good. Because I'm me.
I used to do a lot of clown work; parties, parades, rodeos, etc. I was often intrigued by how easily people might recognize me fully made up, despite full face, costume, sponge nose, etc. I wouldn't have recognized me, but a lot of people did. The ability to map and recognize facial features and data points, by the hundreds or thousands, is instinctual and trainable in people, and programmable in a computer. I'd make a terrible computer, but the various systems in use do remarkably well. I expect that even well qualified efforts at disguising identity will frequently be foiled by such recognition technology.
Expect to see it in the cockpit sooner than later, too.
The system know whom I am. Which is good. Because I'm me.
I used to do a lot of clown work; parties, parades, rodeos, etc. I was often intrigued by how easily people might recognize me fully made up, despite full face, costume, sponge nose, etc. I wouldn't have recognized me, but a lot of people did. The ability to map and recognize facial features and data points, by the hundreds or thousands, is instinctual and trainable in people, and programmable in a computer. I'd make a terrible computer, but the various systems in use do remarkably well. I expect that even well qualified efforts at disguising identity will frequently be foiled by such recognition technology.
Expect to see it in the cockpit sooner than later, too.
05-01-2022, 02:39 PM
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I'll bite, conspiracy theorist.
You choose to put your face in public, do you not? You don't cover your face to prevent it's being photographed, imaged, captured, or known? You're recognizable? You carry ID upon which you have gladly and voluntarily placed your image, such as your crew ID, your passport, Driver License, etc?
Which constitutional freedom is been eroded or taken when you are recognized by a police officer? Camera? Database? Re-entry portal?
Every time we have some advent in technology, the cry goes out, like barking at the moon, "George Orwell! Big Brother! Freedom gone! Rights evaporated!"
Which "right" have yo lost? Which "constitutional freedom" has been violated? Leave the emotion and fear out of it, facts only.
You're scaring the kids. Now tell them why they're scared.
You choose to put your face in public, do you not? You don't cover your face to prevent it's being photographed, imaged, captured, or known? You're recognizable? You carry ID upon which you have gladly and voluntarily placed your image, such as your crew ID, your passport, Driver License, etc?
Which constitutional freedom is been eroded or taken when you are recognized by a police officer? Camera? Database? Re-entry portal?
Every time we have some advent in technology, the cry goes out, like barking at the moon, "George Orwell! Big Brother! Freedom gone! Rights evaporated!"
Which "right" have yo lost? Which "constitutional freedom" has been violated? Leave the emotion and fear out of it, facts only.
You're scaring the kids. Now tell them why they're scared.
05-01-2022, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
I'll bite, conspiracy theorist.
You choose to put your face in public, do you not? You don't cover your face to prevent it's being photographed, imaged, captured, or known? You're recognizable? You carry ID upon which you have gladly and voluntarily placed your image, such as your crew ID, your passport, Driver License, etc?
Which constitutional freedom is been eroded or taken when you are recognized by a police officer? Camera? Database? Re-entry portal?
Every time we have some advent in technology, the cry goes out, like barking at the moon, "George Orwell! Big Brother! Freedom gone! Rights evaporated!"
Which "right" have yo lost? Which "constitutional freedom" has been violated? Leave the emotion and fear out of it, facts only.
You're scaring the kids. Now tell them why they're scared.
You choose to put your face in public, do you not? You don't cover your face to prevent it's being photographed, imaged, captured, or known? You're recognizable? You carry ID upon which you have gladly and voluntarily placed your image, such as your crew ID, your passport, Driver License, etc?
Which constitutional freedom is been eroded or taken when you are recognized by a police officer? Camera? Database? Re-entry portal?
Every time we have some advent in technology, the cry goes out, like barking at the moon, "George Orwell! Big Brother! Freedom gone! Rights evaporated!"
Which "right" have yo lost? Which "constitutional freedom" has been violated? Leave the emotion and fear out of it, facts only.
You're scaring the kids. Now tell them why they're scared.
Also, if you can't understand the difference between a permanent facial scan going into a governmental database used to track people, versus someone just happening to recognize you, then I cannot begin to intelligently converse with you due to the disparity in critical thinking skills. Somethings are just obvious. But if you don't got it, then you don't got it.
05-01-2022, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
On its face TSA is unconstitutional, so there is that.
Also, if you can't understand the difference between a permanent facial scan going into a governmental database used to track people, versus someone just happening to recognize you, then I cannot begin to intelligently converse with you due to the disparity in critical thinking skills. Somethings are just obvious. But if you don't got it, then you don't got it.
Also, if you can't understand the difference between a permanent facial scan going into a governmental database used to track people, versus someone just happening to recognize you, then I cannot begin to intelligently converse with you due to the disparity in critical thinking skills. Somethings are just obvious. But if you don't got it, then you don't got it.
05-02-2022, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
Almost like, you know, applying for a passport, where they get a "permanent facial scan" (also known as: a photograph) of you.
05-02-2022, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
I doubt the pp photos have enough resolution and metadata to be useful for facial recognition. I could be wrong though.
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