USG Support to Ukraine
10-01-2023 | 05:24 PM
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So in your words “at any cost” you are ok with the US failing if it means Ukraine succeeds. Classy.
10-01-2023 | 05:29 PM
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10-01-2023 | 05:49 PM
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the border has been in a state of quasi-insecurity for 200 years. it’s a political football both sides toss around to scare the other side when they want to win elections.
what does “secure” even mean? It’s an impossible goal.
Supporting Ukraine in every way possible should be a rare bipartisan stance. An autocrat who hates everything we stand for and wants to re-ignite the Cold War is trying to bulldoze a tiny nascent democracy who has close ties to us. The fact that it’s failing while the world is watching has given us a tremendous amount of soft power, and further reinvigorated Western unity.
Every dollar spent there is a far better investment than the trillions of sunk cost we’ve dropped into the sandpit.
it’s nuts that some Americans are neutral or tacitly pro-Russia in this whole shebang.
what does “secure” even mean? It’s an impossible goal.
Supporting Ukraine in every way possible should be a rare bipartisan stance. An autocrat who hates everything we stand for and wants to re-ignite the Cold War is trying to bulldoze a tiny nascent democracy who has close ties to us. The fact that it’s failing while the world is watching has given us a tremendous amount of soft power, and further reinvigorated Western unity.
Every dollar spent there is a far better investment than the trillions of sunk cost we’ve dropped into the sandpit.
it’s nuts that some Americans are neutral or tacitly pro-Russia in this whole shebang.
10-01-2023 | 06:07 PM
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it’s nuts that we won’t take care of our own problems at home especially the border which by the way was under control just 2 years ago. Unfortunately the Ukraine has morphed into a money laundering opportunity for many of our political elites (both sides) and has become a never ending money trough that needs to stop until full accountability can be met….
10-01-2023 | 06:49 PM
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Folks… It’s a proxy war. A proxy which much more less costly to igniting a war, with our involvement, overseas. Not just $$$$ but potential loss of life. Too bad… the Speaker, who is taking a victory lap for the vote, reneged on the deal made earlier this year. Such a dishonorable possum breath weakling who can’t reclaim his balls out of the pockets of… well, out of respect of the rules of APC no names shall be mentioned.
10-01-2023 | 06:57 PM
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Perhaps they were referring to NATO staying around after the Soviet Union collapsed even though it was promised it would be dissolved when the Warsaw Pact was? Or maybe they are referring to NATOs involvement in Egypt and other places in the mid-east? Or maybe they are referring to NATO's involvement in the Balkan conflict in the 90's? All of which was well outside of its charter. No wonder Putin is nervous and wants to ensure he has access to warm water and put a buffer between him and NATO. Can't say I blame him. Doesn't make it right, but his actions are predictable and justifiable based on NATO's actions.
10-01-2023 | 06:59 PM
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Last time I checked the US Constitution doesn't authorize the US federal government to protect foreign nations. At least not without a declaration of war. Ukraine, and Europe, are not a polity of the United States federal government.
10-01-2023 | 10:54 PM
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Yalta? That was 80 years ago. And the party which you're referring to has not existed for over 30 years. And we did actually allow the soviets to keep the agreed-to territory... while they actually existed.
Post USSR, there was some *discussion* about limiting the scope of NATO, but certainly no agreements or treaties.
As the Russian sphere dwindles, they tend to want to coerce their former subject states into remaining subjugated. Not surprisingly, that drives them into the western sphere. And Finland and Sweden would have been perfectly happy staying neutral... if vlad hadn't rolled the red army in the general direction of the Fulda Gap.
Post USSR, there was some *discussion* about limiting the scope of NATO, but certainly no agreements or treaties.
As the Russian sphere dwindles, they tend to want to coerce their former subject states into remaining subjugated. Not surprisingly, that drives them into the western sphere. And Finland and Sweden would have been perfectly happy staying neutral... if vlad hadn't rolled the red army in the general direction of the Fulda Gap.
10-02-2023 | 04:09 AM
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As the Russian sphere dwindles, they tend to want to coerce their former subject states into remaining subjugated. Not surprisingly, that drives them into the western sphere. And Finland and Sweden would have been perfectly happy staying neutral... if vlad hadn't rolled the red army in the general direction of the Fulda Gap.
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