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Old 10-07-2023 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by guppie
Except Iran hasn't seen a penny of that money.... THEIR money... Get off the Breitbart/OAN. It's fake news.
Lol… where have you been? I figured it was like the bat signal. They can only spend that money on “humanitarian” uses and haven’t as of yet, but it’s just a shell game. That money goes to food, the rest of their money goes to whatever they want… like their favorite proxy in their effort to topple the Zionist regime to their west.
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Old 10-07-2023 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
First of all, people who say this usually only see the second half of the story on the news and are usually clueless about the full context.

Second, sounds like you’re completely fine with this attack specifically targeted towards Jews.
Yeah and we were attacked on 9/11 because the Muslim people hate us cause we’re free, no other reasons.
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Old 10-07-2023 | 05:36 PM
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This is beyond f'ed up, but go ahead and make up a hypothetical government with policies infuriating enough to make you want to take up arms against a very capable modern military, and you'll see a checklist of Israeli policies.
- Literally lock you into one area and restrict your freedom of movement
- Gov't sanctioned poverty
- Restrict supplies and aid to said poverty inflicted areas
- Allow it's citizens to steal your land, destroy your livelihood and take your homes
- Drop bombs on your neighborhood from time to time
- Literally be a second class citizen with no voting rights and no representation
- Kill your neighbors with zero chance of accountability or justice
- Restrict access to your religion's most holy sites

Did I miss anything? It's interesting that many of the Israeli government's most fervent supporters in the US are the same ones screaming about how it's government overreach to mandate a vaccine or a slightly restrict which firearms you can buy, but have no problem with the Israeli government instituting the above policies. It doesn't excuse atrocities against Israeli civilians, but damn you couldn't create a better recipe for radicalizing enemies if you tried. If you keep your boot on someone's neck you can expect a reaction, and it's not going to be pretty.

Freedom House rate's Gaza's freedoms as an 11/100. Compare that to
Iran- 11
Myanmar- 10
China- 9
Russia- 21
Venezuela- 29
Cuba- 20
Sudan- 30
USA- 76


So if you ever think about how citizens in places like China, Iran or Myanmar should rebel against their oppressive government, you should 100% expect the people of Gaza to fight back too.
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Old 10-07-2023 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilot4000
Yeah and we were attacked on 9/11 because the Muslim people hate us cause we’re free, no other reasons.
This has got to be the most redneck hillbilly hick thing I've ever read here
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Old 10-07-2023 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Setopbug
You sound like an American trying to rationalize how terrorists must attack us because they hate our freedom. I can condemn the violence yet understand why it happens. What crazy, binary world do you live in?



Sabra. Shatila.

I’ll pause while you look that up. You cannot be so dense to view this conflict through the lens of Israel good/Palestine bad, can you? Don’t answer that, you already have. I guess majors are hiring without the high school diploma.
I have family that lives in Israel. Ive been spending about a week there every 3-4 months for last 8 years. I’ve lost count the number of times I’ve been there and there has been a stabbing or car ramming incident that never makes it on the American media. When you see Israel kill an innocent Palestinian it’s usually collateral damage in response to a suicide bombing. Stabbings and car rammings are almost daily occurrences that rarely receive any retaliation. It’s almost viewed as a way of life Israelis have grown to just live with. You can’t be so dense to think every attack against Palestinians is “just because”.

Palestinians are taught it’s ok to kill Jews in their elementary schools. It’s more than just hating our freedom. They specifically hate Jews more than anything on this earth. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that. Hamas makes up more than half of the government in Gaza. That would be like the KKK running the U.S. government. Here’s the head of their ministry of culture in 2011, “Whoever is killed by a Jew receives the reward of two martyrs, because the very thing that the Jews did to the prophets was done to him. The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah. Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world.”
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Old 10-07-2023 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BusBoe
This has got to be the most redneck hillbilly hick thing I've ever read here
Sarcasm my friend.
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Old 10-07-2023 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DownWithNarita
Who was on that land first and who keeps stealing more of it?


We all know how this will end, Israel will kill thousands of civilians.



You think too highly of the average American.
Americans are easily manipulated, look at Iraq, Afghanistan and Ukraine. It's always us vs. Them and if you speak out of line you're the enemy.
First, apples to oranges. Iraq, Afghanistan, and Ukraine are modern day problems and mostly fueled by the military industrial complex. Israel/Palestine has been a problem for thousands of years. There’s plenty of evidence to show Jerusalem was Israeli land long before any Muslim or Palestinian claimed it. (Even if you’re not into the religious side of it).

Second, for the sake of argument… let’s assume it was Palestinian land first… what’s it matter whose land it was first? Almost every country on earth was once occupied by someone else. Since humans have been alive… whoever wins the war, gets the land. Does that give someone the right to continue to murder their enemies thousands of years later?

Third, the West Bank and Gaza Strip were given away in promises that the violence would stop. It’s not a surprise that neither one of those were good enough.

the difference is that if Palestinians, Hamas, and Hezbollah would lay down their weapons and stop fighting… nothing would happen. If Israel laid down their weapons… the Palestinians and most middle eastern nations would wipe Israel off the map before we woke up tomorrow. Hamas is largely funded by Iran, even before 6B we just gave them. I’m sure anyone funded by Iran is completely innocent.
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Old 10-07-2023 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilot4000
Sarcasm my friend.
OK my mistake haha
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Old 10-07-2023 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueScholar
This is beyond f'ed up, but go ahead and make up a hypothetical government with policies infuriating enough to make you want to take up arms against a very capable modern military, and you'll see a checklist of Israeli policies.
- Literally lock you into one area and restrict your freedom of movement
- Gov't sanctioned poverty
- Restrict supplies and aid to said poverty inflicted areas
- Allow it's citizens to steal your land, destroy your livelihood and take your homes
- Drop bombs on your neighborhood from time to time
- Literally be a second class citizen with no voting rights and no representation
- Kill your neighbors with zero chance of accountability or justice
- Restrict access to your religion's most holy sites

Did I miss anything? It's interesting that many of the Israeli government's most fervent supporters in the US are the same ones screaming about how it's government overreach to mandate a vaccine or a slightly restrict which firearms you can buy, but have no problem with the Israeli government instituting the above policies. It doesn't excuse atrocities against Israeli civilians, but damn you couldn't create a better recipe for radicalizing enemies if you tried. If you keep your boot on someone's neck you can expect a reaction, and it's not going to be pretty.

Freedom House rate's Gaza's freedoms as an 11/100. Compare that to
Iran- 11
Myanmar- 10
China- 9
Russia- 21
Venezuela- 29
Cuba- 20
Sudan- 30
USA- 76


So if you ever think about how citizens in places like China, Iran or Myanmar should rebel against their oppressive government, you should 100% expect the people of Gaza to fight back too.
You post this as if Israel puts these restrictions in place out of thin air or just because. Like I said earlier, the Israel/Palestine conflict has been around for thousands of years. And every restriction they have in place is a direct result of what’s been done to them. If Israel stopped protecting themselves… they wouldn’t exist tomorrow.
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Old 10-07-2023 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilot4000
Yeah and we were attacked on 9/11 because the Muslim people hate us cause we’re free, no other reasons.
The extremists hate anyone who does not follow Islam. (Infidels). But they have a special hatred for Jews. You don’t need to be a theologian or see any special evidence to come to that conclusion. Just listen to the very words coming out of the mouths of almost every one of their leaders.
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