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1) Just checked the price of tea in China
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why did russia invade ukraine?Originally Posted by John Carr
Pretty good article on the "how/why" of how Russia likes to Russia. Doubt it will get someone to stop screaming "But WHY did Russia invade Ukraine!!!!!!!";1) Just checked the price of tea in China
2) Russia continues on.......
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why did russia invade ukraine?
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Drawing on extensive interviews with George Kennan and exclusive access to his archives, an eminent scholar of the Cold War delivers a revelatory biography of its troubled mastermind.
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Selected by The New York Times Book Review as a Notable Book of the Year
Drawing on extensive interviews with George Kennan and exclusive access to his archives, an eminent scholar of the Cold War delivers a revelatory biography of its troubled mastermind.
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why do you think Russia invaded Ukraine?Originally Posted by Excargodog
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oh, that’s right it’s because NATO threatened Russia, and yet you can’t formulate an answer on how you can invade a country that has nuclear weapons. so I guess all the Russian generals are just stupid and don’t understand that they have complete strategic defensive security.
its all the wests fault i guess
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oh, that’s right it’s because NATO threatened Russia, and yet you can’t formulate an answer on how you can invade a country that has nuclear weapons. so I guess all the Russian generals are just stupid and don’t understand that they have complete strategic defensive security.
its all the wests fault i guess
If you are too cheap to buy the book it is available in many libraries. Originally Posted by Hubcapped
why do you think Russia invaded Ukraine?oh, that’s right it’s because NATO threatened Russia, and yet you can’t formulate an answer on how you can invade a country that has nuclear weapons. so I guess all the Russian generals are just stupid and don’t understand that they have complete strategic defensive security.
its all the wests fault i guess
if you are just too lazy or biased to even read it, well, that’s on you.
But if you TRULY want an answer to your question, there it is.
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if you are just too lazy or biased to even read it, well, that’s on you.
But if you TRULY want an answer to your question, there it is.
Does the book discuss how George Kennan was opposed to NATO in concept?Originally Posted by Excargodog
If you are too cheap to buy the book it is available in many libraries.if you are just too lazy or biased to even read it, well, that’s on you.
But if you TRULY want an answer to your question, there it is.
Kennen of ' the long telegram' was a brilliant and knowledgeable man.
But he had his blind spots.
He, for obvious reasons, viewed Russia through Stalin's time. It was Stalin who changed the Revolution to "socialism in one country". WW2 just dropped Eastern and Central Europe in his lap.
I have not read the book, so I am certain there are details in it that I would learn from.
But it must be remembered that Kennan oppos3d NATO. Partly because he didn't understand NATO,
Kennan never understood NATO either in its economic purposes nor in how it worked for the advancement of American interests.
Kennan only knew Communist Russia. He did not know todays fascist keleptocracy state.
Putin envisions a reinstated Tsarist Empire in Eurasia. He deeply resents NATO presence as it frustrates his vision for Russian expansion.
He would not, and did not, go to war with Ukraine because of this.
He invade Ukraine because it enrages him that Ukraine exists as a Nation seperate from Russia.
His view is that Ukraine is part of Russia, and he intends to make that a geopolitical reality.
Obviously the Ukrainians disagree.
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Putin envisions a reinstated Tsarist Empire in Eurasia. He deeply resents NATO presence as it frustrates his vision for Russian expansion.
He would not, and did not, go to war with Ukraine because of this.
He invade Ukraine because it enrages him that Ukraine exists as a Nation seperate from Russia.
His view is that Ukraine is part of Russia, and he intends to make that a geopolitical reality.
Obviously the Ukrainians disagree.
^^^^^^^ All true.Originally Posted by MaxQ
He, for obvious reasons, viewed Russia through Stalin's time. It was Stalin who changed the Revolution to "socialism in one country". WW2 just dropped Eastern and Central Europe in his lap.Putin envisions a reinstated Tsarist Empire in Eurasia. He deeply resents NATO presence as it frustrates his vision for Russian expansion.
He would not, and did not, go to war with Ukraine because of this.
He invade Ukraine because it enrages him that Ukraine exists as a Nation seperate from Russia.
His view is that Ukraine is part of Russia, and he intends to make that a geopolitical reality.
Obviously the Ukrainians disagree.
But we won't let that stop one poster from STILL screaming the question..........
And, like you, we simply hope that Mad Vlad finally gives up and leaves Ukraine, much like the Russians did in Afghanistan.
Although, without getting into the weeds, thats was also helped by a change in leadership in Russia. Which is probably what's going to have to take place here.
These are rhetorical;
How many more tens/hundreds of billions from the west is it going to take?
And after damn near 4 years, how much territory has changed hands?
Sure, Russia advances at a snails pace, yet Ukraine isn't exactly driving them out at a crazy pace either.
ExCargo put the numbers up in another (locked thread), sure, they have the "manpower" to hold them off, but do they have it to drive them out and keep them at bay?
I'd also like to hear your thoughts on why "manpower" isn't the issue some of us think it is.
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But we won't let that stop one poster from STILL screaming the question..........
And, like you, we simply hope that Mad Vlad finally gives up and leaves Ukraine, much like the Russians did in Afghanistan.
Although, without getting into the weeds, thats was also helped by a change in leadership in Russia. Which is probably what's going to have to take place here.
These are rhetorical;
How many more tens/hundreds of billions from the west is it going to take?
And after damn near 4 years, how much territory has changed hands?
Sure, Russia advances at a snails pace, yet Ukraine isn't exactly driving them out at a crazy pace either.
ExCargo put the numbers up in another (locked thread), sure, they have the "manpower" to hold them off, but do they have it to drive them out and keep them at bay?
I'd also like to hear your thoughts on why "manpower" isn't the issue some of us think it is.
why did russia invade ukraine?Originally Posted by John Carr
^^^^^^^ All true.But we won't let that stop one poster from STILL screaming the question..........
And, like you, we simply hope that Mad Vlad finally gives up and leaves Ukraine, much like the Russians did in Afghanistan.
Although, without getting into the weeds, thats was also helped by a change in leadership in Russia. Which is probably what's going to have to take place here.
These are rhetorical;
How many more tens/hundreds of billions from the west is it going to take?
And after damn near 4 years, how much territory has changed hands?
Sure, Russia advances at a snails pace, yet Ukraine isn't exactly driving them out at a crazy pace either.
ExCargo put the numbers up in another (locked thread), sure, they have the "manpower" to hold them off, but do they have it to drive them out and keep them at bay?
I'd also like to hear your thoughts on why "manpower" isn't the issue some of us think it is.
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Kennen of ' the long telegram' was a brilliant and knowledgeable man.
But he had his blind spots.
Don’t we allOriginally Posted by MaxQ
Does the book discuss how George Kennan was opposed to NATO in concept?Kennen of ' the long telegram' was a brilliant and knowledgeable man.
But he had his blind spots.
Yet Kennan was largely the architect of our postwar containment policy that did indeed win the Cold War. and this is WIDELY recognized.
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Implying that the architect of the containment of the USSR and the winning of the Cold War knows nothing of Russian motivation is either naïveté bordering on foolishness or outright Sophistry.
You ought to read the aforementioned book.
Hub, for damn sure ought to read the book.
And Merry Christmas everyone.
