Not hired! Why?
09-25-2007, 01:23 PM
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Not hired! Why?
Ok, according to your credentials you have met all the required minimums and other requirements for a flying job you seek. You go in to interview and whenever the company finally gets back to you they don’t offer you a job, simply saying thank you for your interest in working for us. Why don’t they give a solid concrete reason(s) why you didn’t get the job? With that knowledge in hand, the candidate can better prepare for another interview. I just don’t get it.
09-25-2007, 02:55 PM
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maybe for the same unknown reasons that people use the age old "it's not you, it's me" when they're dumping someone?
but yeah I agree with you, it would be helpful for the candidate if they were told exactly why they failed. but trying to think from the company's perspective... I may be dumb but I can't see how it would benefit the company to explain in detail to every applicant who wasn't successful. I mean why bother expending their time and energy. OR, maybe they just can't find a tactful way of telling someone in a decline letter, "honestly, your attitude reeked" or "your dumbass failed the IQ test by a margin of 2000 points." or maybe even "you smelled bad." point is, meeting the required minimums is the least of it, lots of people meet the mins and so there many other reasons why a specific company might not want you.
I think in many cases, people can usually figure out for themselves why they didnt get hired. I mean just think back and see what must've gone wrong. I interviewed with my top choice regional earlier this year and didn't get hired, and even though they never mentioned why, I know exactly what I had done to mess up my chances. (realized it only after the fact though.) It's just a matter of being honest with yourself.
maybe you didnt have that one thing this company wanted, but you could be a perfect match for another.
but yeah I agree with you, it would be helpful for the candidate if they were told exactly why they failed. but trying to think from the company's perspective... I may be dumb but I can't see how it would benefit the company to explain in detail to every applicant who wasn't successful. I mean why bother expending their time and energy. OR, maybe they just can't find a tactful way of telling someone in a decline letter, "honestly, your attitude reeked" or "your dumbass failed the IQ test by a margin of 2000 points." or maybe even "you smelled bad." point is, meeting the required minimums is the least of it, lots of people meet the mins and so there many other reasons why a specific company might not want you.
I think in many cases, people can usually figure out for themselves why they didnt get hired. I mean just think back and see what must've gone wrong. I interviewed with my top choice regional earlier this year and didn't get hired, and even though they never mentioned why, I know exactly what I had done to mess up my chances. (realized it only after the fact though.) It's just a matter of being honest with yourself.
maybe you didnt have that one thing this company wanted, but you could be a perfect match for another.
09-25-2007, 03:40 PM
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One reason is that the more detail they offer, the more ammunition they give a rejected applicant to sue based on whatever a lawyer can dream up.
I know of some rejected applicants who have had friends on the inside obtain some feedback, off the record, to help an applicant in future attempts. That of course is a favor, and not a requirement.
Don't ever expect a detailed formal debrief of why you weren't offered a job, because it doesn't happen in any industry that I know of.
I know of some rejected applicants who have had friends on the inside obtain some feedback, off the record, to help an applicant in future attempts. That of course is a favor, and not a requirement.
Don't ever expect a detailed formal debrief of why you weren't offered a job, because it doesn't happen in any industry that I know of.
09-25-2007, 05:14 PM
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There is simply no upside for a company to offer up a a laundry list of reasons why they didn't hire a candidate.
Think about it. If a company were to itemize objections to every candidate, "requirements" would spread by word of mouth, and soon enough, every candidate that walked through the door would not display any "undesireable" characteristics.....only because every candidate would know what not to do or say....making the entire interview process invalid.
It is not their job to quantify the reasons why they didn't feel that the candidate would not fit in; it is up to the canditate to HONESTLY evaluate what happened in the interview, and if the candidate can critique his/her performance, perhaps they can modify their presentation in the future, or improve upon weak areas.
Althought difficult, I would attempt to make a "rejection" as a gift. Take it to heart that the people that evaluated you believed you would not fit in....FOR WHATEVER REASON.....
In interviews, you need to be yourself. If yourself isn't what "they" want, trust their evaluation....you probably wouldn't be happy in the long run...they know best...THEY ALREADY WORK THERE!...
Think about it. If a company were to itemize objections to every candidate, "requirements" would spread by word of mouth, and soon enough, every candidate that walked through the door would not display any "undesireable" characteristics.....only because every candidate would know what not to do or say....making the entire interview process invalid.
It is not their job to quantify the reasons why they didn't feel that the candidate would not fit in; it is up to the canditate to HONESTLY evaluate what happened in the interview, and if the candidate can critique his/her performance, perhaps they can modify their presentation in the future, or improve upon weak areas.
Althought difficult, I would attempt to make a "rejection" as a gift. Take it to heart that the people that evaluated you believed you would not fit in....FOR WHATEVER REASON.....
In interviews, you need to be yourself. If yourself isn't what "they" want, trust their evaluation....you probably wouldn't be happy in the long run...they know best...THEY ALREADY WORK THERE!...
09-26-2007, 04:27 AM
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Take it with a grain of salt. It's really hard when you believe you did everything right. Always remember though that it could've been the other candidate trumped you with any number of reasons. It happens, move on, etc... If it just wasn't a fit for them, then you have to go with that too. One reason I feel there's usually no feedback is that it's time for them wasted on someone they are obviously not going to hire, it's simple as saying "NEXT!"
09-26-2007, 07:53 AM
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Golden rule of Airline interviews
Airlines are not looking for the best pilot. They are looking for the right pilot.
If you are interview, you meet the minimums they require. The interview is your to blow. You need to know the personality of the airline interviewing you.
Some want robots. Some want individuals. The best thing you can do to prepare yourself is emulate successful candidates.
Good luck (doesn't hurt either.)
Airlines are not looking for the best pilot. They are looking for the right pilot.
If you are interview, you meet the minimums they require. The interview is your to blow. You need to know the personality of the airline interviewing you.
Some want robots. Some want individuals. The best thing you can do to prepare yourself is emulate successful candidates.
Good luck (doesn't hurt either.)
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