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Originally Posted by Photon
(Post 471244)
OK, so for the millions without health insurance, how does your world-leading health care provide for them?
Are the documentaries on US health care so biased (not the Michael Moore kind), that the image provided is false? I've gotten the impression that a rather large percentage of the US population without health insurance basically has no real opportunity for adequate health care. No insurance sends you to a bad hospital, no insurance will basically put you in debt for life if you have a serious illness. A friend of mine had stomach pains, and was at the emergency room for testing, she went out of there with bills of around $5 000, how can someone with an income of $20 000 a year support those kinds of bills if they have to foot the entire thing themselves? Is efficient and affordable health care only for the rich? (I see this topic was about flat tax, and I've totally de-railed it now, sorry about that) That is all based on the left’s desire to bring an ever increasing percentage of the GDP under government control… just like it is Norway. (Our Democrats are truly socialist at hart. The Democratic party of Harry Truman is long since dead.) You’ll hear a lot about State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) insuring poor uninsured children. What you don’t hear is that “children” in that program includes “children” though age 35 and they are trying to get the age raised. I can give you far more stories and websites on the nightmares and declared total failure of British socialize medicine than I can on ours. And like any socialized system, the Brits is far more costly. |
Photon check your PM
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the good thing about socialist medicine is that it can run a system that is not cost-effective, while the privatized (spelling?) system always need to get that bottom line.
I don't see progressive high taxes as a problem, as long as the entire populous get good health care, education, and financial support.
Originally Posted by ryan1234
(Post 471337)
Photon check your PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 471305)
Following assumption could apply to your friend but definitely applies to others:
Your friend went to the emergency room with her stomach ache because she had insurance. Someone else would have waited and seen a doctor and run up a $125 bill. But because it didn't cost her anything she went to E Room. Most hospitals have a payment plan if you run up a bill, or you can always file for bankrupcy. |
Originally Posted by Photon
(Post 471342)
What if you have an actual emergency?
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Originally Posted by Photon
(Post 471329)
Why couldn't you just read the entire thread before replying.
Me, and everyone else from Norway going to flight school over here are actually the ones injecting your economy with millions of dollars, so don't go thinking we are expecting your country to foot any college bills. I don't mind living here while I'm taking my education, it's great! I get so much bang for my buck that I earned back home that I'm in extacy. However, I wouldn't live here, and when I'm completely educated I'm going back home to find a job. Did you hear about the cancellation of the J-1 visa program? Most flight schools said their earnings would be cut in half because of the loss of international flight students. OH!, what's this? We're actually injecting money into American flight schools? On top of that we are actually educating American pilots who go to that same school in the same respect as you are Go home and enjoy your socialism. Depend on your neighbors to defend you like you always have. By the way, how’s that Muslim issue working out for you all??? Are they still killing your citizens at random?? Bet your neighbors can’t help you with that one, so you all may need to actually fight for yourself for once! Hope it’s in your federal budget. |
Originally Posted by MiserDD
(Post 471346)
I think we’ll do fine without you, we have for over 230 years and we will for another 230. Can you say the same for us??? Oh wait, you can’t!!
Go home and enjoy your socialism. Depend on your neighbors to defend you like you always have. By the way, how’s that Muslim issue working out for you all??? Are they still killing your citizens at random?? Bet your neighbors can’t help you with that one, so you all may need to actually fight for yourself for once! Hope it’s in your federal budget. |
Originally Posted by Photon
(Post 471309)
Total bullcrap. The far majority of youth in Norway will rent an apartment while attending a university, after which they will - for the most part - either buy their own home, or continue renting.
In practicality, I don't know of a single person of all the ones I know, that live with their parents after their education is over with... Not sure where you dug this up.
Originally Posted by Photon
(Post 471309)
Man, you are a piece of work.
Guess what, Norway is a democracy like all other western countries, the people in charge are put in charge by the people, and Norway is governed by a multi-party system. Meaning, the populus decide which members of each party gets a seat in the Parliament, and they need majority to be in power. The laws need to be approved by people from all over the political spectrum, there is no society of aristocrats sitting on their high and mighty chairs and running. Are you just pretending to be thick, or are you really this ignorant... (Granted, we’re getting closer to that here, but then again, we’re getting closer to socialism here also!) But as I originally stated, in socialized medicine, the politicians, who write the laws, control the money, and run the courts have the ability to pick a doctor of their choosing (though they don’t admit to this, but have you ever seen one get a doctor who has been reported as incompetent?) and get any medical procedure they need when they need it. An elected Aristocrat. Yes, it’s easier for citizen oversight with a paltry 4.6 million, but look at the massive problems of the British system with 60 million, then imagine trying that with 300 million. |
Originally Posted by MiserDD
(Post 471354)
Not what I saw when I was there in the 90’s.
I never said that your socialist government wasn’t democratically elected. You get your choice of party candidates with very little opportunity to effect who your party runs. And then they tax the living **** out of you. (Granted, we’re getting closer to that here, but then again, we’re getting closer to socialism here also!) But as I originally stated, in socialized medicine, the politicians, who write the laws, control the money, and run the courts have the ability to pick a doctor of their choosing (though they don’t admit to this, but have you ever seen one get a doctor who has been reported as incompetent?) and get any medical procedure they need when they need it. An elected Aristocrat. Yes, it’s easier for citizen oversight with a paltry 4.6 million, but look at the massive problems of the British system with 60 million, then imagine trying that with 300 million. I can be inclined to believe that, if you live far out in the countryside, then people will probably live with their parents to a larger degree. However, in the urban environment where I grew up, I have yet to see any substantial number of people that live with their parents at any later age. Actually, living with your parents after high school, unless the university is right down the street, is regarded more as an outcast than anything else. Also as in any functioning democracy, the courts are separated from the politicians. I wont sit here and say that socialized medicine, as it is performed in Britain would work a charm in the US, nor would I say the kind we perform would be a miracle recipe for health care in the US. What works for one country doesn't necessarily work for another country, however, it works for Norway, and contesting that is faulty in my eyes. Finding a system that works for the US, now that's the hard part, and I can't say I have to competence to find one, I'll admit that |
Ou system does work better than any other system. Capitalism breeds innovation better than any other system. The 47 million uninsured is a completely flase number. 8-10 million uninsured make over 75,000. Another 8-10 million make 45,000-75,000, enough to afford health insurance. About the same number of that 47 million are uninsured for less than 3 months(ie: between jobs). The actual number of uninsured Americans that can't afford insurance is between 8-12 million. So we should change an entire system for 8-12 million of 300 million? Thats 2 to 4% of the population.
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