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Old 10-28-2008 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rascal
The point is that NO ONE cares. Like I said before, to most people, pilots simply "drive" airplanes and "SADCLAM" never comes to mind.
You might need to present it in THEIR language - but I do not believe that NO ONE cares about those attributes listed.

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Old 10-28-2008 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
Pilot certificates are a reliable way to open doors with employers and establish a better place on the list of applicants for a variety of high paying jobs. It shows the candidate has focus, drive, skill, determination, ability to stay the course and a desire to use high level skills in the service of others....

.... If you say you have a pilot's license it instantly communicates you have moxy, skill, confidence, drive, and focus, and that you intend to do a better job.
You are correct sir. It has gotten me into my current endeavor after one brief question on the intitial interview and beyond.

They have stressed working saftey to most but told me that being a pilot they were sure I knew all about that.

After proving myself initially where I am at there are also many old time supervisors that can not multi task. When my immediate supervisor retired close to two years ago they have not replaced him and I can go several months without seeing the man in charge of me nor talking to him. When I do hear from him it is to remind me to cross the t's and dot the I's on paperwork.
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Old 10-28-2008 | 05:02 PM
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SkyHigh, you are depressing. You make me want to get a gun and /myself every time I read your sob stories.

Seriously dude, get a hobby. I've met quadriplegics on electric wheel chairs with dead batteries that have a higher self esteem then you do.

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Old 10-28-2008 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MobiusOne
GD SkyHigh, you are depressing. You make me want to get a gun and /myself every time I read your sob stories.

Seriously dude, get a hobby. I've met quadriplegics on electric wheel chairs with dead batteries that have a higher self esteem then you do.
You may not like my opinions however that does not mean that I have "self esteem issues" or make me an unhappy person. Perhaps you are hoping to avoid the truth about the situation aviation is in? I have never thought there was any benefit in the perpetuation of self denial.

Additionally I do have a hobbies, and one of them is posting here.

Seriously,

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Old 10-29-2008 | 06:19 AM
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I do have other hobbies. One of them is reading financial prophesy books and studying the economy. I am not an economist or super financial guy however I like to study our history, to collect information and follow several economists. Most are predicting a deep recession for a year or so to be followed by a nice recovery.

A few however have been predicting for several years now that our country and world is in for much worse. So far a collection of economists and fund managers have been fairly accurate at predicting our current situation. Years ago they predicted the real estate bubble and oil crisis. It came as a shock to Alan Greenspan but these guys seemed to see it coming. They go on to claim that we are on the virge of a very severe and sinister global financial event that will bring everyone to their knees.

After studying these guys and applying my own understanding to the economy I have come to the conclusion that there is a one in three chance that we could be sliding into a 8 to 16 year global depression. All the interest rate cuts and bail outs will cause a 18 to 24 month period of what will seem like a recovery only to be followed by double digit inflation that will gut the global economy and wipe out the middle class. Eventually the hardships will spawn global isolationism and war. Peak oil will stifle any recovery attempts and cause further global struggle.

Of course if this comes to pass we will look back on these debates about GA and the airlines with fond nostalgia. Most small planes will be melted down for their metal value and the airlines will be only a shadow of what they are now. No one will be safe. Inflation will make even the fattest paychecks dissipate into thin air. I am not a gloom and doomer and the likelihood is that hopefully the government knows what they are doing and can avoid or minimize what seems to be underway.

In any case it has been making me worried as I watch prediction after prediction come to pass. Most of the financial gurus I follow only get a few things right however it is enough to have me worried. If it does happen then any thoughts about flying will seem silly. Everyone will be scrambling to merely survive. I hope that none of this comes into being however I would be a fool if I did not pay attention and strive to figure the best way to handle a situation like that. Some would say that I was being "depressed and negative" however I am just trying to look out for myself and family.

GA as my father knew it is gone. GA as we know it is fading fast. The question is how are we going to save a small piece of it for our selves? My plan is to keep my Cessna 150 and stay cheap. I could have stretched myself into something bigger and more expensive however I think that the 150 will soon become the only thing that anyone can afford to fly for fun. 3 months ago the price to fill the tank on a 182 must have felt like a gut punch. I can fly my 150 for $13.86 an hour in mogas.

Hope for the best but plan for the worst. It does no good for anyone to hide their head in the sand.

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Old 10-29-2008 | 07:18 AM
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You accuse me of not facing up to the reality of the situation and being in self denial, but your basing your future plans off of a theoretical doomsday scenario that you researched that will result in all the GA aircraft being melted down for AK-47 ammo and cannon balls?

Am I getting something wrong here or is that about accurate?

Originally Posted by SkyHigh
I do have other hobbies. One of them is reading financial prophesy books and studying the economy. I am not an economist or super financial guy however I like to study our history, to collect information and follow several economists. Most are predicting a deep recession for a year or so to be followed by a nice recovery.

A few however have been predicting for several years now that our country and world is in for much worse. So far a collection of economists and fund managers have been fairly accurate at predicting our current situation. Years ago they predicted the real estate bubble and oil crisis. It came as a shock to Alan Greenspan but these guys seemed to see it coming. They go on to claim that we are on the virge of a very severe and sinister global financial event that will bring everyone to their knees.

After studying these guys and applying my own understanding to the economy I have come to the conclusion that there is a one in three chance that we could be sliding into a 8 to 16 year global depression. All the interest rate cuts and bail outs will cause a 18 to 24 month period of what will seem like a recovery only to be followed by double digit inflation that will gut the global economy and wipe out the middle class. Eventually the hardships will spawn global isolationism and war. Peak oil will stifle any recovery attempts and cause further global struggle.

Of course if this comes to pass we will look back on these debates about GA and the airlines with fond nostalgia. Most small planes will be melted down for their metal value and the airlines will be only a shadow of what they are now. No one will be safe. Inflation will make even the fattest paychecks dissipate into thin air. I am not a gloom and doomer and the likelihood is that hopefully the government knows what they are doing and can avoid or minimize what seems to be underway.

In any case it has been making me worried as I watch prediction after prediction come to pass. Most of the financial gurus I follow only get a few things right however it is enough to have me worried. If it does happen then any thoughts about flying will seem silly. Everyone will be scrambling to merely survive. I hope that none of this comes into being however I would be a fool if I did not pay attention and strive to figure the best way to handle a situation like that. Some would say that I was being "depressed and negative" however I am just trying to look out for myself and family.

GA as my father knew it is gone. GA as we know it is fading fast. The question is how are we going to save a small piece of it for our selves? My plan is to keep my Cessna 150 and stay cheap. I could have stretched myself into something bigger and more expensive however I think that the 150 will soon become the only thing that anyone can afford to fly for fun. 3 months ago the price to fill the tank on a 182 must have felt like a gut punch. I can fly my 150 for $13.86 an hour in mogas.

Hope for the best but plan for the worst. It does no good for anyone to hide their head in the sand.

Skyhigh
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Old 10-29-2008 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MobiusOne
You accuse me of not facing up to the reality of the situation and being in self denial, but your basing your future plans off of a theoretical doomsday scenario that you researched that will result in all the GA aircraft being melted down for AK-47 ammo and cannon balls?

Am I getting something wrong here or is that about accurate?
Not exactly. All I am saying is that GA is already in big trouble. In fact it is on its way out as we all once knew it. In regards to our economy there is a one in three chance that we could be in the process of sliding into a global depression.

If that happens then GA and aviation in general will suffer a great deal. Inflation could push commodity prices so high that aluminum airframes would be worth more as scrap since few can afford to fly them anyway and private pilots seem to be dying off with the baby boomers.

It is not a doomsday scenario in fact it is a cycle that seems to hit established economies every 60 to 80 years. Supposedly modern times and the study of economics will prevent such an event from happening however many others claim that tampering by the government will insure that our worst fears will come to pass.

I do not think that I am being overly negative about the economy or aviation. No one wants to believe that bad things will happen however occasionally they do and the obvious needs to be acknowledged. History tends to steamroll over those who are late in recognizing changes. I personally would rather see the world as it is and attempt to get out of the way of what is coming than to ignore the signs and get crushed.

You seem to think that my perspective is primarily focused on negative ideas. I am merely trying to look out for myself and family.

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Old 10-30-2008 | 08:18 AM
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mobiusone lmao!!




As far as GA. It is real hard to come across a mom and pop type of FBO nowadays. I learned to fly at a flight school where the owner was the main instructor and loved what he does. Had to have been the best flight school in the state, with an atmosphere that you wouldnt find anywhere else, the students loved it, and the instructors loved working there. Then it got sold, and the new guys turned it into a money making acadamy type of place that has no personality, and all the CFIs there are now miserable, especially that ones who still remember the old place. I imagine that things like this are common else where, but it also proves that there are still places like this around, but probably not in the same numbers as before.
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Old 11-22-2008 | 06:50 PM
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"I have come to the conclusion that there is a one in three chance that we could be sliding into a 8 to 16 year global depression"...after reading your post on 10/29/2008..Hobbies...and viewing your profile which seem you have had considerable 121 heavy glass training and are now self employed...I'm curious to know how and where did you get the data to this senerio.. you do have to admit 331/3% probabilty is pretty bold even with the elastity present in the global ecconomic supply and demand curves..and I don't mean to be argumentive but just informative...I appreciate your post...bgds...SonicBoomer.
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