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Old 03-29-2009 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Droog
I couldn't help but notice that you didn't post anything in this thread for several hours this evening. It kind of makes you wonder....?!!!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist!).
Nicely done. Very funny.

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Old 03-29-2009 | 01:54 PM
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From a policy watchdog in TN:


How Al Gore Celebrated Earth Hour


As most of you know, just over two years ago, my organization, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research, found that the knuckleheaded leader of the global warming alarmism movement, Al Gore, consumes 20 times more electricity in his home than the average American household.
Since Earth Hour was recognized today, Saturday, March 28 from 8:30-9:30pm, I thought I’d see how the hypocritical, fear-mongering former Veep was celebrating at his home.

I pulled up to Al’s house, located in the posh Belle Meade section of Nashville, at 8:48pm – right in the middle of Earth Hour. I found that the main spotlights that usually illuminate his 9,000 square foot mansion were dark, but several of the lights inside the house were on.
In fact, most of the windows were lit by the familiar blue-ish hue indicating that floor lamps and ceiling fixtures were off, but TV screens and computer monitors were hard at work. (In other words, his house looked the way most houses look about 1:45am when their inhabitants are distractedly watching “Cheaters” or “Chelsea Lately” reruns.)
The kicker, though, were the dozen or so floodlights grandly highlighting several trees and illuminating the driveway entrance of Gore’s mansion.
I [kid] you not, my friends, the savior of the environment couldn’t be bothered to turn off the gaudy lights that show off his goofy trees.
The picture above is an example of the floodlights that were burning through Earth Hour, which is supposedly “lights off” time for those who get their rocks off by telling children that they will be burned alive because of the use of ventilators, refrigerators and cars. (The “312” is his address – 312 Lynnwood Blvd.)
If you’re unfamiliar, Earth Hour is where socialists and patchouli-dabbing tree-hugging hippies unite to dismiss electricity, fossil fuels and the modern conveniences that allow for historically unrivaled prosperity, longevity, health and quality of life throughout the world.
Thankfully, most of the Kool-Aid drinkers that participated in Earth Hour undoubtedly spent the hour on their couch or on their porch reflecting how solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short life would be without electricity.
Feel free to comment and let me know what you think of this latest example of Al Gore’s hypocrisy. Or man up and tell me that I made you cry because I told you that Earth Day is for mouth-breathing douchetards.

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Old 03-29-2009 | 02:05 PM
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Wow dude, you need to grow up a little. Earth Day is about the Earth, not Al Gore. Using less power and polluting less. If Al Gore is a hypocrite or Green Peace has ulterior motives, that is their problem. Nobody is forcing anybody to practice Earth Day, they are simply asking for you to practice it. If you don't want to, that is your right, but calling people that like to practice it "mouth-breathing douchetards", whatever that is supposed to mean, is very juvenile. Perhaps that is why politics are not allowed on this board, people can't have dialogue like professionals.
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Old 03-29-2009 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LeoSV
Wow dude, you need to grow up a little. Earth Day is about the Earth, not Al Gore. Using less power and polluting less. If Al Gore is a hypocrite or Green Peace has ulterior motives, that is their problem. Nobody is forcing anybody to practice Earth Day, they are simply asking for you to practice it. If you don't want to, that is your right, but calling people that like to practice it "mouth-breathing douchetards", whatever that is supposed to mean, is very juvenile. Perhaps that is why politics are not allowed on this board, people can't have dialogue like professionals.
I do need to grow up--more than just a little.

What you write is very reasonable. If all environmentalists spoke and acted like you, I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with them. The problem I have with that crowd is that they are using all the resources (taxes, regulation, propaganda) they have to make me live my life in accordance with their beliefs.

The whole post you cited was a quote from that other writer--I don't know what a "mouth-breathing douchetard" is either.

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Old 03-29-2009 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LeoSV
Wow dude, you need to grow up a little. Earth Day is about the Earth, not Al Gore. Using less power and polluting less. If Al Gore is a hypocrite or Green Peace has ulterior motives, that is their problem. Nobody is forcing anybody to practice Earth Day, they are simply asking for you to practice it. If you don't want to, that is your right, but calling people that like to practice it "mouth-breathing douchetards", whatever that is supposed to mean, is very juvenile. Perhaps that is why politics are not allowed on this board, people can't have dialogue like professionals.
Hey man, don't you know that this is APC -"Airline POLITICAL Central?!" You could start a thread about rectal bleeding, and sooner or later someone will turn it into a political football. I say let's wrap up this thread, and start a new one called "why my religion is the best and your religion sucks!"
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Old 03-29-2009 | 07:41 PM
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Really? C'mon over and try to turn my lights off tough guy...

oooh, I'm really scared!

If you were able to read, perhaps you would have pick upped that there is a big difference between "care" and "going to".

Remove preconceived notion induced chip from shoulder.
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Old 03-29-2009 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot
As far as what kind of validation I want to see, I'd like to see it period! In the engineering industry (whose underpinnings are in hard science) we (myself included) worked with mathematical models on a daily basis. As I said previously, if there was no validation for a mathematical model, there was no way ANYBODY was going to put faith in the results of what we came up with. How could they possibly do so??
This is going to sound like I'm calling you out, which is not at all my intent. Being that I'm not from an engineering background, I'm genuinely curious on how you would accomplish this kind of validation for a long term meteorologic event? And now to make it real fun, explain in in terms an idiot such as myself can understand. I'm sincere, I'd really like to have a better understanding of this so I can have a more informed opinion on the matter (aside from believing that Al Gore is a first class tool and hypocrite).
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Old 03-29-2009 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ppilot
People on both sides kind of irritate me when these discussions come up. Same thing with evolution. 'I don't believe in global warming.' 'I believe in evolution.'

It's not about belief, it's about science, and science is not about belief. If you people are accredited scientists and you've studied the science, talk all you want. If you don't 'believe' in global warming 'and can prove it' because of what's going on in your backyard, just drop it, okay? People have to have an opinion on every damn thing in the world, whether they know anything about it or not.

My $.02.
Well, no. Research on climate change is about science, not belief. Evolution is about science, not belief. Perhaps you're confusing it with creationism....NOT science and about belief. Climate change and evolution belongs in a science curriculum. Creationism (or the euphemism, "intelligent design"), belongs in religious studies.

Consider yourself corrected.

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Old 03-29-2009 | 07:52 PM
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Well, I have a mechanical engineering degree, which means I took all the same physics, chemistry, mathematics, (calc 1,2,3, diff eq, prob & statistics) as "scientists" and have studied the scientific method. Does that make me a scientist? I have no freaking idea. But do I understand what some of these people are trying to pass on as science? Hell yes I do. Look man, I used to work on pollution controls in the power generation industry!

As far as what kind of validation I want to see, I'd like to see it period! In the engineering industry (whose underpinnings are in hard science) we (myself included) worked with mathematical models on a daily basis. As I said previously, if there was no validation for a mathematical model, there was no way ANYBODY was going to put faith in the results of what we came up with. How could they possibly do so??

You ask "Do the right reasons matter all that much?". The fact that people like you seriously ask a question like that scare me. What is the world coming to where people put up with this kind of reasoning? Wow.
Look, I'm not trying to fight with you. Really I'm not. But you're not qualified to judge the science...you're just not. I have a computer science and a mathematics degree, and have also taken courses in physics, chemistry, all the mathematics courses you listed and more, etc. I don't think I'm qualified to know the answers to this stuff because I've taken some undergraduate level courses, why do you think you are?

Your work with engineering doesn't have any kind of corollary with the science behind global climate change. What makes you think that it does? They're completely different things. So why are you such an expert?

Let me ask you this. What is your answer to the 'problem'? Conservation has got you all in a tizzy, so you obviously think that we can do whatever we want and NOT affect the planet? What would you like to see happen?
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Old 03-29-2009 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot
Well, I have a mechanical engineering degree, which means I took all the same physics, chemistry, mathematics, (calc 1,2,3, diff eq, prob & statistics) as "scientists" and have studied the scientific method. Does that make me a scientist? I have no freaking idea.

If you have to ask........

Originally Posted by wrxpilot
But do I understand what some of these people are trying to pass on as science? Hell yes I do. Look man, I used to work on pollution controls in the power generation industry!
That does not a climatologist make. That would be much closer to someone that does catalytic converter replacements at Pep Boys.

Originally Posted by wrxpilot
In the engineering industry (whose underpinnings are in hard science) we (myself included) worked with mathematical models on a daily basis.
The same could be said for a night auditor at a Day's Inn.


Originally Posted by wrxpilot
What is the world coming to where people put up with this kind of reasoning? Wow.
Tell me about it!

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On a slightly separate note;


As for you Bush supporters that pay lip service to science. Thanks to Obama for restoring integrity to national science policy by not putting the cart before the horse as Bushy boy did.

Bush (nodding head and shrugging shoulders); "Make research results fit my agenda, heh heh"

Obama; "Let's determine agenda based on the research."

Which would you choose?
(wrx, Winged Wheeler, somehow I "believe" you'd choose the former)

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