learjet crash
06-04-2006, 05:49 PM
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06-04-2006, 07:06 PM
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I used to fly in there on a regular basis. Groton is surrounded on three sides by water. The fog there is the absolute thickest most dense soup i have seen anywhere. It may be legal for a Cat 1 approach but you can bet it will look and feel more like a Cat 2. This combined with a crappy approach light system leading to a short runway for a jet makes it a challenge. A citation would handle that runway much easier than a Lear.
Then you combine this with two guys who may not have been in there before, and might be high and fast and you have the recipe for trouble.
Then you combine this with two guys who may not have been in there before, and might be high and fast and you have the recipe for trouble.
06-04-2006, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by IronWalt
The fog there is the absolute thickest most dense soup i have seen anywhere. It may be legal for a Cat 1 approach but you can bet it will look and feel more like a Cat 2.
RIP to the crew.
06-05-2006, 05:35 AM
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Even if the visibility is Zero...You don't crash short of the runway...You go around when your at the minimums with no runway environment in sight.....Period! And if you have the environment in sight the Glidesope must be maintained.
06-05-2006, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by HeavyDriver
Even if the visibility is Zero...You don't crash short of the runway...You go around when your at the minimums with no runway environment in sight.....Period! And if you have the environment in sight the Glidesope must be maintained.
Just shut your mouth until the report comes out.
06-05-2006, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by HeavyDriver
Even if the visibility is Zero...You go around when your at the minimums with no runway environment in sight.....Period!
Absolutely right.
"If there is any doubt, there can be no doubt."
Cass and dhc8fo have a point. We weren't there, and should wait for the report. Based on the frequency with which CFIT incidents continue to occur, however, it never hurts to take a moment to reflect that respect for environment begins with respect for procedure...
Last edited by lagavulin; 06-05-2006 at 08:45 AM.
06-05-2006, 08:57 AM
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Our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of the pilots lost in this accident. May they rest in peace.
The NTSB process is slow and methodical but yields good data to help reconstruct the event. IMO, it does no good to guess what happened, wait for the NTSB to do their job.
The NTSB process is slow and methodical but yields good data to help reconstruct the event. IMO, it does no good to guess what happened, wait for the NTSB to do their job.
06-05-2006, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by HSLD
Our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of the pilots lost in this accident. May they rest in peace.
The NTSB process is slow and methodical but yields good data to help reconstruct the event. IMO, it does no good to guess what happened, wait for the NTSB to do their job.
The NTSB process is slow and methodical but yields good data to help reconstruct the event. IMO, it does no good to guess what happened, wait for the NTSB to do their job.
06-05-2006, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dhc8fo
Just shut your mouth until the report comes out.
I didn't say that's what caused this crash...But the previuos posts indicated the local weather conditions for this airport...Europe in the winter time is the lowest RVR's on earth for weeks at a time...Low visibility should never be an issue if the airplane, pilots, and ground equipment are working properly. The minimum Runway crossing altitude AGL for my aircraft is 48'...That gives my main landing gear 11' of clearence over the runway end on glideslope...Based on a 3 degree slope....And if my airplane equipment is standard in G/S positioning.
Last edited by HeavyDriver; 06-05-2006 at 02:24 PM.
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