Guns!
 

Other than a little offshoot in the "what's your vice thread," I haven't seen much from the gun crowd. There has to be some shooters on this forum. So lets here what everyone has or is thinking about getting. Pictures are welcome. :D

Looking at getting an XD, just can't decide on the caliber. The price of ammo is getting out of hand so the 9mm seems like a better option but the 45 is just calling my name.

Also looking at the Walthers P22, .22 caliber hangun to offset my shooting costs. Anyone have any good/bad stories about this gun.

Also picked up a Stag M4A3 a few months ago. So far it's been pretty good shooter. Three sight adjustment and it was right on at 25 meters, out of the box.

I hunt quite a bit. My favorite is upland (quail, grouse, etc). Also have a really cool trap/skeet and sporting clays course right by my home.

My favorite shotgun is a remington 870 wingmaster 16ga that my grandfather bought about 30 years ago. Great shooting gun.

My old roommate bought the springfield XD .45 and I was able to shoot it a few times, its a very nice gun, I would go for the 9mm or even the .40. Because in the end I'd rather have accuracy rather than bullets off target.

The Walther p22 is a pretty nice gun too. Its more for plinking and target practice, although the ammo is cheaper. I heard they jam fairly easy, but thats just something I've heard I don't know if its true. I personally like to shoot something that has some mustard on it.

I own a Weatherby Vanguard .300 Win Mag. Its pretty cool.

Don't own anything at the moment, but I go down to the range and run through a few boxes using rentals every now and then. They have a Kimber .45, a CZ 9mm and an S&W revolver I like. I was thinking about getting an HK .40 S&W for home defense but haven't got around to it. I might go for a Hi-Power instead when I get the $ and if I can find the right one. .45 ammo is a bit pricey so .40 and 9mm is the way to go for budget purposes.

Glock 34 race gun..because EVERYONE uses the 1911 frame
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My Rock river arms AR
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My first handgun purchase Beretta billenium
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and......
Glock 35 for limited category ipsc
Beretta M9 (not 92fs)
Beretta U22 neos
Remington 870 express

Gorgeous Beretta. Custom semi's are outrageously expensive- I lusted after a Custom Ed Brown for a while but went for some nice speakers instead. Custom 1911's are functional art at its best. Still not sure if I made the right decision!

It actually wasnt all THAT bad. I think it was supposed to list for around 1500 or so but when I went to the gun store the gentleman had never heard of it. He called a guy to see if he could get one which he could (which was pretty good luck since they only made 2000) and it was on its way to the store. Since I paid in full before it got there he just thought it was a beretta with a fancy name and marked it up as he would any normal 92fs beretta so I got it for 1100. Still a ton of money but I havent shot it yet and being a limited edition it may be something worthwhile to pass on to my kid someday.

My father in law calls it a "barbecue gun"
He said that every old westerner owned their sidearms but brought out the polished stainless guns for the fancy outings.

I need go go shoot again. I havn't been hunting in a few years.

Glock 19 with a few mods.
30.06 nothin special
700Mag Flutted Bull Barrel
and of course a 12 guage for quail and dove hunting...pump action.

I've been told a remington model 11 is primarily used for home defense but id like to know if anybody is aware whether or not its a decent skeet gun...?

P22
 

I have a walther P22. It is a nice little gun shoots well, I use Federal ammo, and they say that the gun fires best with high compression rounds so thats what I use and i never had a problem. I am looking for a gun to carry and was seriously thinking about the XD, I'v put a lot of rounds through many different ones and Like the 9mm or the 45cal the best. I think the 9mm compact version is the one Im going to go with, mainly because I already have a Tarus .45 so I don't really need another right now. But I still dont think you can go wrong with the P22, the only thing is taking it apart, not very user friendly there, but all in all a very fun little gun to shoot. let us know what you decide to get.:)

HK USPc .45 (probably the best weapon I've ever owned - amazingly accurate)
Glock 27 .40 (simple, compact, hard to beat)

RIP:
ST-15 5.56mm, chip mc' trigger, YH free floater,eotech, ACE stock
British L1A1 original, 7.62x51mm with the Trilux SUIT


been trying to get a RRA lower, but the waiting list is like 6-8 months long...

so probably get a M25 or M21...can't decide

Picked up a Black/OD P22 today at a local gun show. Couldn't get to the range but should be able to hit it up next weekend. I handled a P99, love the feel of that gun. Anyone have any info. on those. I had my heart set on an XD45 but I will add the P99 to my list of possibilities for my next purchase.

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I'm thinking of buying a mini-14 if BO wins and before he has a chance to change the law. I have a few guns at home already. My favorite is my HK USP.

the mini 14 is fun to shoot from my experience

Good choice. I've got one in .40 S&W. Also a P220 and Glock 21 (both .45's). My son just got a Glock 30, after considering several others. We're so lucky to have all of these choices.

Oh, yeah, the Mini-14 IS a blast! :)

This is the one area where my portfolio has blossomed. I've been at this for quite some time and have collected a number of weapons that have really increased in value and rarity. Almost any surplus military arm has been a good bet, especially when they first hit the US market. I now have a good sampling of all the major military rifles of most combatant nations back to the late 1800's, Mausers, Enfields, Springfields, Mosin Nagants, Swiss K31, Japanese Arisakas etc. I love the Walther P22 as a plinker, and yes, it needs high velocity ammo to function properly. I have a Les Baer 1911 .45 which is about as nice a .45 as money can buy, a few Para Ordnance models, Sig p220, three Browning High Powers. and others from Glock, HK, and wheel guns. I also have a number of precision rifles that bring great enjoyment. I shot for the All- National Guard Rifle team for many years. I could never amass such a collection in today's environment, and my son prays I never let any of them go.

Greetings.

I'm about to invest in my first rifle for big game hunting (cariboue, deer, elk). I've been narrowing down my search too 3 rifles.

1. Remington Model XR-100 Rangemaster, (can you fit a silencer on this one)
2. Remington Model 700™ VTR (silencer on this one as well?)
3. Winchester Model 70, Extreme Weather SS (also silencer ..)

So, what do you guys thing about these onces... Or you have any other good suggestions?

Thanks

Why would you want a suppressor (not a silencer) on a high power rifle? The idea of the suppressor is to reduce the sonic noise and pressure to reduce db pressure and noise. It would cost you as much as any of those rifles to have a rifle modified, plus you need an ATF tax stamp for a class lll weapon, another 250 bucks, plus your accuracy with a standard hunting round would make bambi likely live to a ripe old age. If you are going after the game mentioned, think about carrying the rifle long distances horizontally and vertically. I'd choose a fiberglass or kevlar stocked Remington 700 in something from 30.06 or larger, and then the very best glass you can afford, both scope and binoculars. Then I'd hit a range to find a load that performs out to 300 yards with minimal holdover.

Thanks a lot for your information. I used to live in NC, but have now moved back to Europe, not to sure about rules and regulations on high power rifles, unless I know it's expensive. Atleast the scopes.

Regarding suppressers, I was thinking about saving my ears for the future, the PT-6 is not real quiet....

Could you give me some headsup regarding what you recomend of rifles i should buy, regarding to game..

Should I get a; .308, .225, 30-30, .444

thanks in advance...

I just hunt small game with shotgun now a days

Coffin- I always use earplugs and earmuffs at the range, no problem with hearing damage. There are nice sound attenuated muffs for less than 60 bucks that let you hear voices but cancel out high peak decibel noises. If you are hunting elk and caribou, or anything west of say the Mississippi, you need something that shoots fast and flat, as in it doesn't drop rapidly down range. This lets you hold center mass of your target and have about 8 inches of kill zone inside 300 yards. Any shots laonger than that are in my judgement, not kosher. I have a 30.06 Sako fiberglass that will bring down most anything with one shot, but that would be the minimum for Elk. A belted magnum, like a .300 Winchester magnum will do anything. There are too many new flat shooting cartridges to keep up with, any of the hunting magazines are full of new comparisons. I'd get an 30.06 if you plan to hunt in both wooded terrain and in the West. Almost all of the rifles sold today are accurate enough to do the job, thanks to CNC machining. I'm partial to Remington 700's and Sako's, but a Savage is quite a nice rifle out of the box for not much money. The 30-30 is a short range brush gun, and the .308 may not cut it after 200 yards. Ammo has a lot to do with it. Good glass is really important, Leupold, Burris, Swarovski, Zeiss, and Kahles are all very good. Hope this helps. Oh yeah, don't worry about noise while hunting, you need to hear everything out there, and if you do your part, you'll only fire one round, and believe me, you won't hear it!

Thanks a lot for that great information. Due to the rugged and mountainus Norway, i probably need maximum distance, so you recon I go for the .30-06.

Correct me if I'm wrong, the smaller .30-06 travels more distance than the .308, but the .308 has more stopping power, under 200 yards?

I've use this gun for cariboue, faar north in norway, and elk and maybe moose.

And since I have a italian shotgun, i will buy american rifle!. So remington is a good choice?

Thank you sir !

Cof- .308 is a .30 caliber bullet exactly the same as the 30.06, the .308 has a shortened brass case and less powder capacity, hence less velocity per distance after muzzle exit. Internal ballistics is the mechanics of cartridge size, powder volume, neck angle etc. External ballistics is what happens after the bullet exits the muzzle and flies in the atmosphere. If you are in Norway, I know the 30.06 is very popular there, as is the 6.5 x 55 Swedish Mauser cartridge. You should look for an old Norwegian Krag-Jorgensen rifle in 6.5x55, it will be worth the search and there should be a lot of them around.

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.30-06 is probably the best all-around cartridge for North American game. There are a ton of great guns chambered for it. Also, lots of high-quality ammuntion out there for it as well. There isn't much out there that you couldn't hunt with that gun.

I have had great success with a Savage Model 110. It's not the prettiest, it's not the most expensive. It's not a good gun to take to the range and fire a lot of rounds through. However it's a great hunting rifle. So good, that between my father and I, we have three. He shoots a .30-06 and I have a .270s. With that gun, I've dropped deer at 20 yards, and one at 230 yards.

My newest addition is a Benelli Nova 12ga. It's my new all-around gun. Already dropped a few teal with it this year. Just bought a couple boxes of 3-1/2 inch Hevi-shot for goose season on the river. Furlough has it's advantages!

Well, I will do some looking around, before buying any. A new rifle should not be my first priority, hehe. Thank you guys anyways!

I have that Franchi Interial Raptor, shotgun. Nice shotgun. So where in the US do you people hunt?

Lots of public land in Missouri to hunt. I usually hunt out there for free. Having weekdays off is great.

I have a really great sporting clays/trap/skeet range about 5 miles from my house.

Duck/Goose hunting on the Mississippi is only about 2 miles away :)

I used to duck hunt in SW Louisiana and more recently had a deer hunting lease near Reelfoot Lake here in West Tennessee. I'm not a big hunter anymore, I shoot a lot at the range and used to compete in service rifle fot the All-National Guard Team. i have always wanted to go out to Montana or South Dakota to shoot Prairie Dogs.

My choice and first gun ever purchased was my HK USP Compact .45

Great gun and (as Ryan said) extremely accurate. Great for concealed carry. It's amazing how easy you can conceal it with 8+1 in a .45 ACP.

As for hunting. Upland Bird is a favorite in particular pheasant. As for Big game. I live in Oregon where for $130.00 I get a sport pac, which includes: Hunting and fishing liscense, Deer tag, Elk tag, Black Bear tag, Cougar tag, Spring Turkey tag, and all upland and waterfowl stamps for the hunting season. For birds ( in this state grouse, pheasant, quail, chuckar, ducks, and geese) and turkey its the good ole' Benelli Nova in Advantage timber. The first time I shot at a goose with a 3 1/2 inch shell my vision grayed! Kicked worse than weatherby .338 I shot once.

For all other big game it is my 2003 Fred Bear g2xl. Set to about 72 pounds of pull. Why use a rifle when my average shot in the thick, coastal range of Oregon is about 15 yards.

Have you considered the .300 WSM? The short has amazingly little drop under 300 yards with a good punch for your buck. I know that many people choose the 30.06 cause of cheap ammo but the .300 WSM isn't bad either. But what do I know I use a bow.

You may want to check out the 7mm Rem. Mag... I use that for all around hunting (although at short ranges is more power than you really need or want). It is a very, very flat shooting round with similar recoil to the 30.06, better ballistics but also generally more expensive.

.308 is not a bad round at all.... you should be able to bring down most european game inside 3-400yds no problem. It was good enough to be a widely used sniper round in most environments

Sako makes a great rifle... I would take it over the 700 any day

As for the glass..... Leupold has been pretty good to me, and I would recommend it

Bored,

How do you like that Nova? I'm thinking about using my employee purchase while I'm on furlough to get a new shotgun. I've played with one at the gun counter a little and have been quite impressed by how solid and well-built it feels. I especially like the ability to clear the chamber without cycling a shell from the magazine. Great for Turkey huting if you need a second shot on a crippled bird and want to use a light load instead.

I am very very pleased with my Nova. I worked at Cabelas when I bought mine and ended up being the standard pump shotgun I sold the most. The feature of cycling the chamber without loading another shell is very nice when you hunt many different spots in one day. Some people complain that the plastic forestock feels a little loose and "chinsey". Its built that way on purpose so don't worry about it. I've fired everything through it. Cheap Estate clay loads, turkey loads, 3 1/2 BB super mags for swan and geese and it has performed flawless. On top of that I clean it once at the end of a very very busy season and it is still super clean. A guy I worked with has had his for 7 years and has never cleaned it and it works great. The stop and spring in the magazine is easy to remove with needle nose pliers, just be careful at 3 am in a corn field that you dont let it shoot out when your not ready. Takes about 3 weeks to get another one. I know from experience.:mad:

It comes with 3 chokes free of charge. Full, Modified, and Improved cylinder. If your a obessive turkey/waterfowl hunter I would invest in a patternmaster choke tube. About 84 bucks. But not needed unless your one of those nuts like me.

During duck season we would go out 3-4 times a week. A die hard duck and goose hunter I hunted with sold his Super Black Eagle II after he bought his Nova because he liked it better. He was the kind of guy that made his own calls that worked better than the 100 dollar one I had around my neck.

I always made one suggestion and it depends on the weather you hunt in. If you don't bird hunt a lot of cold weather where you have many layers of clothing on you should purchase the recoil reducer or get the supernova for which it is a standard option. Shooting 2 boxes of Winchester 3 1/2inch 1 3/8oz loads while goose hunting will leave you with a black and blue shoulder even through 3 layers of clothing.

I have the P99 .40cal and it is a great gun. Some people complain about the trigger but I've never had a problem with it. I've put thousands of rounds through it with no jams. The interchangeable back strap is nice so you can get a great fit in your hand. Very accurate and easy to maintain. You won't be disappointed.

For a really lite carry weapon I just got a Ruger LCP. That little thing is so lite you don't even know you have it in your pocket. Matter of fact my dealer just emailed me that it is here after a nice 11 week back order. Until now I have only gotten to see some that have been spoken for. I have a gut so I can't conceal the P99 worth a damn. Either way, a well placed .380 round will do the trick. I plan to carry with Buffalo Bore ammo for some extra penetration power. I'll try to shoot it this week and give a report.

Second all that; I had a 110 FVS (heavy barrel) in .22-250 that I used exclusively for range (bench) shooting. Very flat shooting and accurate - I reloaded at the time, and could get batches yielding 1.75" 5-shot groups consistently at 300 yards (under perfect no-wind condition, of course). Nothing special about the rounds other than I made sure all components were the exact same mass within the tolerances of my equipment. Some sort of boat-tail bullet...maybe a 60-grain Hornady. Anyway - the gun was a great bargain for something that shoots so nice right out of the box. Heavier calibers would let you shoot like that out well past 500 yards, I'd expect.

Hello again.

Got some more question regarding the rifle question.
One guy suggested to buy 7mm Remington calibre. But I've read on wikipedia, the following:

VELOCITY ENERGY
7 MM REM. ;150 gr (9.7 g) AccuTip BT 3,110 ft/s (950 m/s) 3,221 ft·lbf (4,367 J)

30-06 ;180 gr (12 g) Nosler partition 2,900 ft/s (880 m/s) 3,315 ft·lbf (4,495 J)

The 7mm will travel faster, and almost put out the same energy, less than 100 'J. So why don't hunters use 7 mm on larger games, when the difference in energy is so small?

So, is the bullet weight the most important issue for big game hunting?

And, one more thing, my buddie has a 308, so I want maybe a better calibre then him and I will only buy american rifle.

Thanks guys!

I'm not very well versed on rifles but I'll chime in on that. Many go with a .270 or .30-06 for a number of reasons. First might be availability. With those two rounds you have an endless choice of manufacturers and models of ammo. As far as North American game, you could take down most species with those two short of maybe Grizzly bears and Moose?

7mm Mags kick like a ****ed off mule. At least that's been my experience :)

If you want BIGGER and BETTER than your buddy, but not overkill here is my suggestion. The 300 Remington Ultra Mag. With 150Gr bullet you should see around 3456 f/s (1053 m/s) with a energy of about 3979 ft/lb (5395 J).

What you also want to look at is the velocity and energy at 200 yards or further.

180 gr 30.06 at 200 yards 2023 f/s with an energy of 1635 ft/lbs.

180 gr .300 Remington Ultra mag at 200 yards 2834 f/s with an energy of 3201 ft/lbs.

Since I remember you saying maximum distance. the 30.06 will drop about 23.9 inchs at 400 yards and the .300 will be about 12.9. This with zero being at 200 yards using a 180 gr bullet.

If you want to make good comparisons of cartridges I suggest remingtons website.

Remington.com - Products - Ammunition - Ballistics

Well, seems like the finance crisis hit Norway hard, just lost my job today, so I guess there will not be any investment in any rifle any time soon.

Someone looking for King Air 350 pilot with both FAA and JAA papers, let me know...

Thanks for the help guys..

Sorry to hear. I lost mine in August. I guess try to enjoy a little time off.

I thinking of packing the backpack, and go for a while into far up north norway-russian border, to hunt and fish, pretty remote up there, to clear my head...

Sucks big time