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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 813532)
Sounds like a problem from many different angles!
The airflow around two different aircraft can certainly be a problem - especially when talking about aircraft of vastly different capabilities. There was a Class A mishap with two fatalities when a T-34C tried to take a look at an F-14's gear after the TomCat reported a gear problem when he lowerd his gear at NAS Corpus Christi back in '91. The T-34 IP was a former F-14 guy I heard and he had a Marine SNA with him. He offered up a visual inspection. The T-34 just got to close and WHAM! - sucked right up into the F-14 (at least that is what the SIR came up with) :( Well....I can't imagine, unless for some REALLY close observation, that there would be any reason to be getting very close to the other aircraft :confused: USMCFLYR By the way, for all those asking, intercepting an ultralight is not that hard. It can be done from any altitude. He may not have even known he was being followed. You think it's that hard to orbit above him and watch him on the FLIR? Or with mk1 mod0 eyeballs? |
Originally Posted by alarkyokie
(Post 813435)
Like,uh, accidental A/B wake turbulence?
What are you trying to get at? If it's the F-4 mentioned above, that's a bit before my time in fighters...As a guy who has CAP'd DC and sat alert in defense of the NCR, I'd say don't go where you shouldn't and you probably won't have to worry. |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 813532)
Well....I can't imagine, unless for some REALLY close observation, that there would be any reason to be getting very close to the other aircraft :confused: USMCFLYR But it was long time ago... |
Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 813661)
It was in the clouds they overshot and got way to close was how I remembered it.
But it was long time ago... http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR84-07.pdf Fighters can easily track slower aircraft with a weave, hi yoyo or orbit. They can also damage light aircraft with their wake. A fighter produces a large wake in proportion to it's size due to high wing loading. Add a high G loading and a fighter can produce a wake equal in power to an airliner. This has proven harmful to light aircraft in many instances. |
Nvermind my facts are wrong. It was a Baron not a Bonanza it was during daylight hours and it was actually a midair between the intercepting F-4 and the Baron not a wake turbulence incident.
But I guess they were close enough to ID him...... Here is the NTSB report. http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR84-07.pdf Jungle you posted as I was posting you fast fingered devil you!!!!!:cool: |
Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 813672)
Nvermind my facts are wrong. It was a Baron not a Bonanza it was during daylight hours and it actually a midair between the intercepting F-4 and the Baron not a wake turbulence incident.
But I guess they close enough to ID him...... Here is the NTSB report. http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR84-07.pdf Jungle you posted as I was posting you fast fingered devil you!!!!!:cool: |
Turtle speed
Originally Posted by jungle
(Post 813669)
Fighters can easily track slower aircraft with a weave, hi yoyo or orbit.
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
(Post 813690)
I had an opportunity to observe this from the back seat of an F-4 chase plane during an F-16 "high AOA" test mission. No way we could have matched his (lack of) airspeed.
Thrust to weight and max AOA play a large part in fighter to fighter contests. There is never even a contest when you match a fighter against a light aircraft. Getting slow in any aircraft is not conducive to long life. Speed is life. A knife fight in a telephone booth tends to hurt all of the players. Get slow in a furball and you just become a cherry to be picked. |
What's a phone booth?
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Originally Posted by hemaybedid
(Post 813702)
What's a phone booth?
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