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jungle 05-21-2010 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 815116)
The obvious truth is difficult for some to accept. Can I share my opinion of the over 60 pilots on this thread also?:cool:

Why not include everyone except yourself?:D

Lambourne 05-21-2010 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by jungle (Post 815120)
Why not include everyone except yourself?:D

I was too tall to be an Artesian. Also been around the block enough to know that girls will come and go. Maybe the poor lad can have that sex change while he is recovering. He sure acts like a Shelia, so he might as be plummed like one.

jungle 05-21-2010 08:05 PM

Events like this often trigger a strong reaction in those with emotional problems. A common defense is to project one's own fear and anxiety onto other individuals or groups while loudly proclaiming one's own mostly imagined strengths.
People sometimes do crazy things and it is often a waste of time to try to explain them or the imagined causes.

2StgTurbine 05-21-2010 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 815116)
The obvious truth is difficult for some to accept. Can I share my opinion of the over 60 pilots on this thread also?:cool:

To sum things up the problems with the industry are short people, boys acting like women in relationships, and boys playing soccer and getting trophies for just showing up. Well at least he didn't play the flute in high school because then we would have a real nightmare.

Don't worry about me, because I am 6'1", I ditch a girl every time she fails to make me dinner, bare knuckled boxed when I was 6 (My dad told me only girly-men wore pads and played football), punched a fellow pilot for complementing me when I didn't deserve it, and anytime I am about to feel any type of emotion that makes me less manly, I drink a beer and then go work on my car because that is what makes a great pilot.

jungle 05-21-2010 08:40 PM

YouTube - BLADE RUNNER interview

vagabond 05-21-2010 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by jungle (Post 815299)
A common defense is to project one's own fear and anxiety onto other individuals or groups while loudly proclaiming one's own mostly imagined strengths.
People sometimes do crazy things.

Ouch, that hurts! ;)

DYNASTY HVY 05-22-2010 03:35 AM

Simple rule to live by and here it is -
'What happens at home stays at home. " I,ve used that rule forever and so has the wife.:)
Kind of reminds me of the old Las Vegas ad .
BTW we had a great time in HNL.:cool:


Fred

Slice 05-22-2010 07:06 AM

I think Timmy just found a new friend to hang with at the ex-airline pilot club!:eek:

Lambourne 05-22-2010 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by jungle (Post 815299)
Events like this often trigger a strong reaction in those with emotional problems.

Sorry but this is not an "event" to me. It serves as confirmation of opinions about a particular carrier and the yutes they have that decided to play airline pilot.

Take the Colgan crash, the Pinnacle "FL410 Club" and some other amazingly stupid things that have happened in the regionals. The puppy mills have produced some really bad pilots.

Many of the pilots working in the industry don't have any sense of what being an airline pilot is about. I have ridden in the back of RJ's that guys taxi and fly like they have stolen them. There is no airmanship or deft touch. I have sat on the jumpseat in a CRJ on a commute to work and watched a F/O fly right through the middle of an easily avoidable cumulus cloud that rocked the crap out the airplane. He turned and smiled and said; "that was fun, I want to find another one". With the quick upgrades and minimal experience they don't have anyone with any longevity in the Capt seat to lead by example.

Again, I am sorry if the truth hurts but the evidence supports the argument. Airline pilots did not lose respect in the eyes of the public. We have given it away with pilots using poor judgment. Be it showing up drunk to fly or going bat crazy when your told "she's just not that into you". It is time for pilots as a group to police our own. No more group hugs or coddling for the weak. Time to make the difficult choices to thin the herd. We need to lead by example and bring the fringe back to the fold. If they choose not to then get them to the PSC and reclaim what was surrendered.

L

jungle 05-22-2010 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 815457)
Sorry but this is not an "event" to me. It serves as confirmation of opinions about a particular carrier and the yutes they have that decided to play airline pilot.

Take the Colgan crash, the Pinnacle "FL410 Club" and some other amazingly stupid things that have happened in the regionals. The puppy mills have produced some really bad pilots.

Many of the pilots working in the industry don't have any sense of what being an airline pilot is about. I have ridden in the back of RJ's that guys taxi and fly like they have stolen them. There is no airmanship or deft touch. I have sat on the jumpseat in a CRJ on a commute to work and watched a F/O fly right through the middle of an easily avoidable cumulus cloud that rocked the crap out the airplane. He turned and smiled and said; "that was fun, I want to find another one". With the quick upgrades and minimal experience they don't have anyone with any longevity in the Capt seat to lead by example.

Again, I am sorry if the truth hurts but the evidence supports the argument. Airline pilots did not lose respect in the eyes of the public. We have given it away with pilots using poor judgment. Be it showing up drunk to fly or going bat crazy when your told "she's just not that into you". It is time for pilots as a group to police our own. No more group hugs or coddling for the weak. Time to make the difficult choices to thin the herd. We need to lead by example and bring the fringe back to the fold. If they choose not to then get them to the PSC and reclaim what was surrendered.

L

There are many ways to look at this, and anecdotal evidence from a single individual is the least reliable. Statistics from around the world tell quite a different story.

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Which Airplanes and Airlines are the Safest?
June 9, 2009
By Terry Smiljanich:

The crash of Air France Flight 447 in Brazil, last week, killing 228 passengers and crew, has renewed questions about airline safety in many people’s minds.

How safe is flying? Which airlines have the best track record? What airplane models have fewer fatal crashes?

Flying safety

Last year alone, U.S. airline passengers traveled 798 billion miles. During the same period, Americans traveled about 3 trillion miles in automobiles. Using comparative figures, it has been calculated that the chances of a fatality in driving between Boston and Washington, D.C., is 8.5 times greater than the chances of an airline fatality for that same trip. So there is no question that airline safety still beats driving risks by miles.

Statistics show that on average in the U.S. a person dies in a plane crash for every 4 million flights taken. These are the kind of odds faced in winning the lottery with a single ticket. You are more likely to die from stumbling while walking, an accidental firearms discharge, or suffocating in bed while sleeping than from perishing in a plane crash.

Which Airlines Have the Best Safety Record?

The top eight airlines in the United States (those having more than 2 million flights per year) all have good safety records. Their rank, based on the number of fatal events per million miles traveled, is as follows:

1.Southwest Airlines 0.00 (no fatalities in its history)
2.Delta Airlines 0.17
3.Northwest Airlines 0.21
4.Continental Airlines 0.24
5.US Air 0.28
6.United Airlines 0.31
7.Alaska Airlines 0.33
8.American Airlines 0.40
This is an average of 0.24 fatal events per million flights.

How does that compare to the airlines of other countries? The sixteen airlines based in other countries with flights exceeding 2 million per year average 1.10 fatal events per million flights, or more than four times worse than the U.S. average. The top 5 safest foreign airlines are:

1.British Airlines 0.17
2.SAS 0.19
3.Lufthansa 0.22
4.All Nippon Airlines 0.22
5.Air France 0.72 (not including the 6/1/09 crash)
The foreign airlines with the worst fatality records are:

1.Turkish Airlines 3.60
2.Indian Airlines 3.53
3.Aeromexico 1.76
4.Japan Airlines 1.36
5.SwissAir 1.20
It should be noted that the official airline of China, Air China, does not release mileage or accident statistics. It is a good bet that if China does not want the world to know the answers to these questions, it must not like the answers.

There is no doubt that the American airline industry is on average the safest in the world.

What Airplanes Have the Best Safety Records

The top 5 airplanes currently in production and flown in more than 10 million flights per year rank as follows:

1.Airbus A320 0.13
2.ATR 42/72 0.33
3.Boeing 737 0.36
4.Boeing 767 0.40
5.Boeing 747 0.76
Other airplanes no longer in production but still flying include the Boeing MD80/90 (0.26), the Boeing 757 (0.30), the Boeing 727 (0.49) and the Airbus 300 (0.54).

What about the Airbus A330 involved in the Air France disaster? This airplane came into production in the late 90’s. 1,021 planes have been ordered, but only 609 have actually been delivered.

Compared to the Airbus A320 (6,321 ordered, 3,893 delivered), comparatively few of the A330 planes are in the air. The fatality statistics kept on this plane are currently unavailable, perhaps due to the lack of a sufficient track record, but the Air France crash will obviously push this model nearly to the top of the list.

This might be considered an unfair comparison, since only one accident can seriously skew the statistics. Take the Concorde SST, the supersonic airline in operation from 1976 to 2003. It only had one fatal accident in its entire history, but because it flew less than 100,000 flights total, its fatal events per million flights is 11.36, the highest of any aircraft model.

It could be argued that statistics such as these are misleading, since so few airline crashes occur, making them susceptible to the vagaries of chance occurences. What can be gleaned from these statistics, however, is that the major airplane models in current use have good track records, and that the air safety regulations in a few other countries are suspect.
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To sum it up, all types of flying have gotten much safer over the years. There is always room for improvement.
So much for the good old days.


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