Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 815457)

Sorry but this is not an "event" to me. It serves as confirmation of opinions about a particular carrier and the yutes they have that decided to play airline pilot.

Take the Colgan crash, the Pinnacle "FL410 Club" and some other amazingly stupid things that have happened in the regionals. The puppy mills have produced some really bad pilots.

Many of the pilots working in the industry don't have any sense of what being an airline pilot is about. I have ridden in the back of RJ's that guys taxi and fly like they have stolen them. There is no airmanship or deft touch. I have sat on the jumpseat in a CRJ on a commute to work and watched a F/O fly right through the middle of an easily avoidable cumulus cloud that rocked the crap out the airplane. He turned and smiled and said; "that was fun, I want to find another one". With the quick upgrades and minimal experience they don't have anyone with any longevity in the Capt seat to lead by example.

Again, I am sorry if the truth hurts but the evidence supports the argument. Airline pilots did not lose respect in the eyes of the public. We have given it away with pilots using poor judgment. Be it showing up drunk to fly or going bat crazy when your told "she's just not that into you". It is time for pilots as a group to police our own. No more group hugs or coddling for the weak. Time to make the difficult choices to thin the herd. We need to lead by example and bring the fringe back to the fold. If they choose not to then get them to the PSC and reclaim what was surrendered.

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Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 816364)

I would not buy my life insurance premiums based on those stats. Here is what I find interesting in your charts, USAir had one of the greatest number of hull loses for a few years yet they are ranked average. Some of the other carriers had one hull loss, yet they were widebody a/c so that generates a higher rate. Let's see.....more crashes of smaller planes or one crash of a larger plane and the one crash rates as less safe carrier.

Sorry if I don't buy into your logic. How about hull loses per company? Pinnacle owned operations are pretty dangerous if you use that scale along with Fed Ex. Pilots that come through the Gulfstream puppy mill have had active roles, I believe, in most of the recent loss of life accidents in the US.

Originally Posted by jungle (Post 816365)

Why not show us how many passengers have been fatally injured in Pinnacle operations?

Originally Posted by jungle (Post 816578)

Ok, so far we have weaklings, Jet Blue, FFDOs, over 60 guys, Colgan,Pinnacle, USair, FEDEX, Gulfstream, CRJ drivers, drunks, crazies, a really unique way to interpret statistics which ignores their defined parameters, and of course I am now a holocaust denier. Did I leave anyone out?
You win, I just can't fight the tide.:D


And yet somehow we managed to rack up the safest decade on record in the good old US of A. Amazing.