FAA Shutdown
07-23-2011 | 04:07 PM
#31
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So are specific employees of the FAA all at home right now without pay? I know that they are in danger of this but has it gone full swing? If not, when? Is it everyone that works for the FAA? I just couldn't find any info on this and I don't want to get all fired up until I do.
07-23-2011 | 04:37 PM
#32
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High fives are wrong... but... I can hardly wait for the pictures of the poor poor people stranded in the airport when the overpaid prima dona pilots refuse to come to work to take them home from Disney World and totally ruin their vacation.
07-23-2011 | 04:47 PM
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Oh wait, you mean government employees are actually people, with families and homes and stuff? Here I thought they were "the problem", and we should eliminate them all so that the rest of us can finally prosper. 
For the "win-win" crowd, consider what your company may do without anyone looking over their shoulder. Do you trust your maintenance department, your dispatchers, and your management to do the right thing every time a tough decision has to be made? As annoying, wasteful and misguided as they may be, I would rather have a bad FAA than none at all (sort of like a union). I doubt planes will start crashing tomorrow, but does anyone think that this industry can be trusted to regulate itself?
For the "win-win" crowd, consider what your company may do without anyone looking over their shoulder. Do you trust your maintenance department, your dispatchers, and your management to do the right thing every time a tough decision has to be made? As annoying, wasteful and misguided as they may be, I would rather have a bad FAA than none at all (sort of like a union). I doubt planes will start crashing tomorrow, but does anyone think that this industry can be trusted to regulate itself?
The gubbamint should only be overseeing these agencies, not running them. Anybody else anxious to see how much more efficiently the TSA will run once they are unionized. I know... it's hypocritic for me to be anti union... but even as a union employee, I CAN get fired.. And.. I can't work a mere 20 years for a guaranteed gubbamint retirement with all the entitlements attached thereto. And FWIW, I don't depend on the government to catch any real issues involved with maintaining my airplanes. I have waaaaay more faith in the professionalism of those that are out there turning wrenches. But I do expect the FAA to pull out a micrometer and fine the hell out of an airline because wire bundle ties are not exactly 1" apart...
07-23-2011 | 06:34 PM
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I've had my fill of the hand wringing on staffing issues when it comes to the FAA after being in the Part 135 world. To stay on topic I'll erase my experiences here.
So, this is a furlough not a firing, correct?
It makes me wonder, why can't these people be paid out of the aviation Trust Fund? CNN says it gets $200M a week in tax revenue from the airlines. So is this like when a city government comes up short the first thing they say is they'll need to layoff firefighters, police officers and teachers so as to create a public uproar to increase taxes when in fact there was so much else that could've been cut?
Out of curiosity, is the FAA throwing it's own employees under the bus to create pressure on congress to continue status quo?
And even if this was a firing, let me guess, it wouldn't be merit based would it? More power to those fighting from within to change the FAA into what it should be and I hope the non-contributors, the inept and those living off the jobs program are forced to shape up or ship out of the tax payer funded government.
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07-23-2011 | 06:55 PM
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From: Light Chop
And if the ALS is out you're stuck with a 4000 RVR instead of something less. If the ILS is out we'll shoot the VOR or the visual.
If we have to divert, given we're paid by the hour, we'll divert and not think twice about it.
07-23-2011 | 06:59 PM
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Who are we going to blame? The government. Who else is there to blame?
And if the ALS is out you're stuck with a 4000 RVR instead of something less. If the ILS is out we'll shoot the VOR or the visual.
If we have to divert, given we're paid by the hour, we'll divert and not think twice about it.
And if the ALS is out you're stuck with a 4000 RVR instead of something less. If the ILS is out we'll shoot the VOR or the visual.
If we have to divert, given we're paid by the hour, we'll divert and not think twice about it.
(I love Bruce Willis movies... )
07-23-2011 | 07:11 PM
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From: Light Chop
You're right. They turned a dial and all of the airplanes just descended right into the ground in IAD.
SUCKS!..... that they made a sequel to a good movie. Just sucks.
I heard they're thinking about Top Gun II btw.
07-23-2011 | 09:33 PM
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Um, is this going to mess up my CFI renewal? I was planning to take my paperwork into the local FSDO next week. I hope it works out; I had a good streak goin' there. (And yes, I could do a little work and figure it out myself, but APC seemed like a good lazy first step.)
07-24-2011 | 12:17 AM
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It makes me wonder, why can't these people be paid out of the aviation Trust Fund? CNN says it gets $200M a week in tax revenue from the airlines. So is this like when a city government comes up short the first thing they say is they'll need to layoff firefighters, police officers and teachers so as to create a public uproar to increase taxes when in fact there was so much else that could've been cut?
Out of curiosity, is the FAA throwing it's own employees under the bus to create pressure on congress to continue status quo?
Out of curiosity, is the FAA throwing it's own employees under the bus to create pressure on congress to continue status quo?
Government bureaucracies are beasts that live to eat. Whatever strategy they need to employ to exert the most pressure on taxpayers, they will use it.
Carl
07-24-2011 | 12:19 AM
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As a former career FAA employee, I can tell that there is tons of dead weight there. But, this isn't a political forum. Please think before posting.
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