FAA Shutdown
07-27-2011 | 05:30 PM
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FAA Shut Down ... Who Cares?
Can we just leave it shut down? Is that a consideration? Can we shut down the DOT also? Just asking.
Oh yeah, forgot, someone has to be in the DOT to issue the government subsidy checks for passenger railroad transport.
Can we just leave it shut down? Is that a consideration? Can we shut down the DOT also? Just asking.
Oh yeah, forgot, someone has to be in the DOT to issue the government subsidy checks for passenger railroad transport.
07-27-2011 | 05:49 PM
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07-28-2011 | 03:56 PM
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Question is are the new FTDT regs gonna be out on time?
07-28-2011 | 04:33 PM
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Last I heard, yes. BUT, there will be an implementation period.
As far as "shutting down" the FAA...
I hope you all realize these are not just Government "employees", but also Government contractors ("private sector").
Contractors that were installing EMAS sytems at airports, or other types of improvements to the "system". Who will now be "unemployed", and if it's for awhile, WE will again pay them through taxes because of unemployment benefits.
And if you shut down the FAA completely, you would have some your fellow furloughees unemployed again.
You would have airline management REALLY bending you over on duty/rest times, MX issues.
Hey, I know it's not perfect (TRUST ME!!!), but it's not just the "old timers" that work for the FAA...
Just some thoughts.
As far as "shutting down" the FAA...
I hope you all realize these are not just Government "employees", but also Government contractors ("private sector").
Contractors that were installing EMAS sytems at airports, or other types of improvements to the "system". Who will now be "unemployed", and if it's for awhile, WE will again pay them through taxes because of unemployment benefits.
And if you shut down the FAA completely, you would have some your fellow furloughees unemployed again.
You would have airline management REALLY bending you over on duty/rest times, MX issues.
Hey, I know it's not perfect (TRUST ME!!!), but it's not just the "old timers" that work for the FAA...
Just some thoughts.
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08-02-2011 | 05:31 AM
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FAA shut down until September
Aug. 2, 2011, 7:43 a.m. EDT
Congress fails to reopen the FAA
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Efforts to reopen the Federal Aviation Administration failed Monday night following a Congressional standoff last month over funding and a new labor law looks. The FAA, responsible for aircraft safety, air traffic control management, providing federal grants for airport construction, and collecting aviation-related taxes, has been partially shuttered for more than a week after its reauthorization bill failed to pass the Senate. Only essential safety personnel remain on the job. House Republicans added last-minute riders to the bill that would have cut subsidies for small airports and reverse a new labor law that governs the way airline workers organize.
Congress fails to reopen the FAA - MarketWatch
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Congress Fails to End FAA Furloughs as One-Month Recess Nears
By Lisa Caruso - Aug 1, 2011 7:36 PM CT
The U.S. House of Representatives and Senate finished considering legislation today without resolving an impasse over eliminating subsidies to some rural airports and ending Federal Aviation Administration furloughs.
Both are scheduled to recess tomorrow for a month. The two chambers have failed to resolve a dispute over extending FAA funding, resulting in 4,000 employees being furloughed and keeping the agency from taking in $30 million a day in aviation taxes.
The agency’s authority to collect aviation taxes, such as those on airline tickets, fuel and cargo, expired at midnight July 22 when Congress failed to extend it because of a dispute over ending $16.6 million in subsidies to 13 rural airports.
The House had included the proposed cuts in a bill it passed July 20 to continue the agency’s authority through Sept. 16. Senate Democratic leaders opposed them.
Senator Jay Rockefeller, the West Virginia Democrat who is chairman of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, sought to move two counter-proposals through the Senate today for the House to consider before going on recess. Both were rejected by Republicans.
The Senate plans to vote on raising the debt ceiling tomorrow and then recess. To end the FAA furloughs, senators would have to adopt a proposal that the House could accept before going on recess or approve the House-passed bill without alteration so it could go directly to the president for his signature.
Labor Provision
With one proposal, Rockefeller was trying to take the dispute over small-town flights “off the table” to focus on a labor provision in the House’s longer-term FAA reauthorization proposal, said Vincent Morris, a spokesman for the senator. That provision would overturn a decision by the National Mediation Board, making it easier for workers to unionize.
The other proposal omitted rural-airport subsidy cuts.
U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood earlier urged members of Congress not to leave Washington without passing legislation to extend FAA funding and bring furloughed agency employees, including engineers and program analysts, back to work. The furloughs exclude air-traffic controllers.
“It’s not fair” that 70,000 construction workers also have been idled since July 23, LaHood said today. The furloughs are preventing the FAA from distributing $2.5 billion in grants to fund airport projects around the country.
Congress Fails to End FAA Furloughs as One-Month Recess Nears - Bloomberg
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Expected cost of FAA funding feud: At least $1.2 billion
AUGUST 1, 2011
BY : CNN.COM - POLITICS
The House adjourned for summer recess Monday night without resolving a Federal Aviation Administration funding impasse, almost guaranteeing that nearly 4,000 FAA employees will remain furloughed for the next month, and that the federal government will lose at least $1.2 billion in airline passenger tax revenue.
Congress fails to reopen the FAA
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Efforts to reopen the Federal Aviation Administration failed Monday night following a Congressional standoff last month over funding and a new labor law looks. The FAA, responsible for aircraft safety, air traffic control management, providing federal grants for airport construction, and collecting aviation-related taxes, has been partially shuttered for more than a week after its reauthorization bill failed to pass the Senate. Only essential safety personnel remain on the job. House Republicans added last-minute riders to the bill that would have cut subsidies for small airports and reverse a new labor law that governs the way airline workers organize.
Congress fails to reopen the FAA - MarketWatch
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Congress Fails to End FAA Furloughs as One-Month Recess Nears
By Lisa Caruso - Aug 1, 2011 7:36 PM CT
The U.S. House of Representatives and Senate finished considering legislation today without resolving an impasse over eliminating subsidies to some rural airports and ending Federal Aviation Administration furloughs.
Both are scheduled to recess tomorrow for a month. The two chambers have failed to resolve a dispute over extending FAA funding, resulting in 4,000 employees being furloughed and keeping the agency from taking in $30 million a day in aviation taxes.
The agency’s authority to collect aviation taxes, such as those on airline tickets, fuel and cargo, expired at midnight July 22 when Congress failed to extend it because of a dispute over ending $16.6 million in subsidies to 13 rural airports.
The House had included the proposed cuts in a bill it passed July 20 to continue the agency’s authority through Sept. 16. Senate Democratic leaders opposed them.
Senator Jay Rockefeller, the West Virginia Democrat who is chairman of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, sought to move two counter-proposals through the Senate today for the House to consider before going on recess. Both were rejected by Republicans.
The Senate plans to vote on raising the debt ceiling tomorrow and then recess. To end the FAA furloughs, senators would have to adopt a proposal that the House could accept before going on recess or approve the House-passed bill without alteration so it could go directly to the president for his signature.
Labor Provision
With one proposal, Rockefeller was trying to take the dispute over small-town flights “off the table” to focus on a labor provision in the House’s longer-term FAA reauthorization proposal, said Vincent Morris, a spokesman for the senator. That provision would overturn a decision by the National Mediation Board, making it easier for workers to unionize.
The other proposal omitted rural-airport subsidy cuts.
U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood earlier urged members of Congress not to leave Washington without passing legislation to extend FAA funding and bring furloughed agency employees, including engineers and program analysts, back to work. The furloughs exclude air-traffic controllers.
“It’s not fair” that 70,000 construction workers also have been idled since July 23, LaHood said today. The furloughs are preventing the FAA from distributing $2.5 billion in grants to fund airport projects around the country.
Congress Fails to End FAA Furloughs as One-Month Recess Nears - Bloomberg
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Expected cost of FAA funding feud: At least $1.2 billion
AUGUST 1, 2011
BY : CNN.COM - POLITICS
The House adjourned for summer recess Monday night without resolving a Federal Aviation Administration funding impasse, almost guaranteeing that nearly 4,000 FAA employees will remain furloughed for the next month, and that the federal government will lose at least $1.2 billion in airline passenger tax revenue.
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08-02-2011 | 06:20 AM
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08-02-2011 | 11:33 AM
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FAA Temporary Extension may get approved
Reid May Ask Senate to Accept House FAA Extension Bill
By Lisa Caruso and Julie Hirschfeld Davis - Aug 2, 2011 1:23 PM CT
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said he is asking senators to accept the House-passed version of a bill to extend funding for the Federal Aviation Administration, if no other solution is found. Photographer: Mark Wilson/Getty Images
U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said he is asking senators to accept the House-passed version of a bill to extend funding for the Federal Aviation Administration, if no other solution is found.
Such a move, if approved by the body before it adjourns today for its August recess, would end furloughs for 4,000 FAA employees and restart airport construction projects that were stopped when the agency’s authorization expired July 22.
Reid’s remarks to reporters came after President Barack Obama, speaking from Washington, called on Congress to “break this impasse now, hopefully before the Senate adjourns, so these folks can get back to work.”
“We learned with this big deal we’ve just done, sometimes you have to step back and find out what’s best for the country and not be bound by some of your own personal issues,” the Nevada Democrat said, referring to the agreement to raise the U.S. debt ceiling.
The furloughs, which exclude air traffic controllers, are preventing the FAA from distributing $2.5 billion in grants to fund airport projects around the U.S., idling 70,000 construction workers, according to U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood.
Rural-Flight Subsidies
Congress has failed to renew the FAA’s authority because of a dispute over the House’s proposal to end $16.6 million in subsidies to 13 rural airports, including one in Reid’s home state.
The House included the cuts in a bill it passed July 20 to continue the agency’s authority through Sept. 16. Senate Democratic leaders have opposed the cuts and refused to consider the House bill.
Republican senators yesterday blocked efforts by Senator Jay Rockefeller to offer two counter-proposals, one that dropped the rural airport subsidies and another to cut $71 million from the program. The West Virginia Democrat is chairman of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee.
To end the FAA furloughs, senators would have to adopt a proposal that the House could accept by unanimous consent or approve the House-passed bill without alteration so it could go directly to the president for his signature.
By Lisa Caruso and Julie Hirschfeld Davis - Aug 2, 2011 1:23 PM CT
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said he is asking senators to accept the House-passed version of a bill to extend funding for the Federal Aviation Administration, if no other solution is found. Photographer: Mark Wilson/Getty Images
U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said he is asking senators to accept the House-passed version of a bill to extend funding for the Federal Aviation Administration, if no other solution is found.
Such a move, if approved by the body before it adjourns today for its August recess, would end furloughs for 4,000 FAA employees and restart airport construction projects that were stopped when the agency’s authorization expired July 22.
Reid’s remarks to reporters came after President Barack Obama, speaking from Washington, called on Congress to “break this impasse now, hopefully before the Senate adjourns, so these folks can get back to work.”
“We learned with this big deal we’ve just done, sometimes you have to step back and find out what’s best for the country and not be bound by some of your own personal issues,” the Nevada Democrat said, referring to the agreement to raise the U.S. debt ceiling.
The furloughs, which exclude air traffic controllers, are preventing the FAA from distributing $2.5 billion in grants to fund airport projects around the U.S., idling 70,000 construction workers, according to U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood.
Rural-Flight Subsidies
Congress has failed to renew the FAA’s authority because of a dispute over the House’s proposal to end $16.6 million in subsidies to 13 rural airports, including one in Reid’s home state.
The House included the cuts in a bill it passed July 20 to continue the agency’s authority through Sept. 16. Senate Democratic leaders have opposed the cuts and refused to consider the House bill.
Republican senators yesterday blocked efforts by Senator Jay Rockefeller to offer two counter-proposals, one that dropped the rural airport subsidies and another to cut $71 million from the program. The West Virginia Democrat is chairman of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee.
To end the FAA furloughs, senators would have to adopt a proposal that the House could accept by unanimous consent or approve the House-passed bill without alteration so it could go directly to the president for his signature.
08-02-2011 | 11:35 AM
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Someone...deleted my comments about blaming the Senate for the FAA shutdown...the Senate looks like it's compromising a bit now.
08-02-2011 | 11:38 AM
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Joan Lowy, Associated Press, On Tuesday August 2, 2011, 3:26 pm
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A stalemate that has partially shut down the Federal Aviation Administration will continue into September. A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says Senate Democrats were unwilling to accept cuts in subsidies for rural air service.
House Republicans had demanded the $16.5 million in subsidy cuts as part of a bill to continue the FAA's operating authority. Senate Democrats repeatedly tried and failed to pass their own bill without the cuts.
The FAA's operating authority expired 11 days ago, as well as the authority of airlines to collect about $30 million a day in ticket taxes. If allowed to continue until Congress returns to work next month, the cost in lost revenue will be an estimated $1.2 billion.
Nearly 4,000 FAA employees have been laid off.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A stalemate that has partially shut down the Federal Aviation Administration will continue into September. A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says Senate Democrats were unwilling to accept cuts in subsidies for rural air service.
House Republicans had demanded the $16.5 million in subsidy cuts as part of a bill to continue the FAA's operating authority. Senate Democrats repeatedly tried and failed to pass their own bill without the cuts.
The FAA's operating authority expired 11 days ago, as well as the authority of airlines to collect about $30 million a day in ticket taxes. If allowed to continue until Congress returns to work next month, the cost in lost revenue will be an estimated $1.2 billion.
Nearly 4,000 FAA employees have been laid off.
08-02-2011 | 11:53 AM
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It sounds like a fundamental dispute once again. Is the federal government responsible for the employment of people or is it responsible to create conditions where private business can employ people. I do have empathy for the employees and contracters that are out of work and have been in their situation with furlough. However this shut down demonstrates how much wasteful spending exists in federal agencies.
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