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Old 07-30-2011, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver View Post
Why do you guys have to be so sarcastic with what amounts to a supported argument about self development and how art can be used to support creativity (Maslow and the heirarchy of needs)? I sense more than a smidgeon of anger from you fellows and I hear put downs, thinly veiled hatred, and mostly unsupported rejection of artists and those who benefit from their work. Why are you so threatened? If your own values are so easily threatened, maybe it's time to clarify them. I suggest you try and see why your own values would have you preclude the peaceful appreciation of values that happen to differ from your own. That's what we learn in high school.

If I say I like chocolate ice cream and you happen to hate chocolate ice cream, do you really need to hate me for that opinion? Am I making any sense here? And couldn't you try chocolate every now and then and see if it's really so bad? I don't happen to like British Croquet but when I come across a game on tv and people are obviously enjoying it, I feel mildly happy for them and then I quickly move on to the History Channel and NASCAR. Life is too short to spend it hating others and the things they choose in order to discover meaning in life. I do not happen to like rap music but I recognize the cultural salvation it has been for a lot of rather depressed people in our society and I relish that fact. Rap music in fact now enjoys world influence, and again I have no particular fancy for it, but no need for animosity. Life is too short.
I cant speak for the others but I find your concept of not assigning people responsibility for their actions offensive to my culture and resent your trying to impose your values on me.

Artists, Sports figures, Actors, Polititians, Television Evangalists and their assorted entourages are endowed with the same free will that God gave everyone else. Choices they make are their own and they should not be endulged because you happen to envy them their ability to make a buck. They are not, after all, Fighter Pilots.

Sonny Jurgensen is the lone exception to this rule. As the greatest Quarterback of all time he should be able to get away with just about anything.
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Old 07-30-2011, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG View Post
I cant speak for the others but I find your concept of not assigning people responsibility for their actions offensive...
Not sure what you mean. I dropped my argument that Any Winehouse is a heroic self-destructive artist several posts ago on account of not knowing a single hit song she put forth. I am not familiar with her work and perhaps I was silly for supporting her, frankly I do not know. But what I do think is that the arts serve a valuable function in society. This is a simple statement; the arts are not rocket science. How can you seriously refute such a simple claim.

...and resent your trying to impose your values on me...
Again, I am not sure what you mean. I was trying to use common sense arguments to refute a bunch of pejorative posts by various pilots here and I said that I feel that art is valuable. Simple as simple gets. So if this is what you talking about, how am I trying to impose anything on you?
...Artists, Sports figures, Actors, Polititians, Television Evangalists [sic] and their assorted entourages are endowed with the same free will that God gave everyone else. Choices they make are their own and they should not be endulged [sic] because you happen to envy them their ability to make a buck. They are not, after all, Fighter Pilots...
Agree.

...Sonny Jurgensen is the lone exception to this rule. As the greatest Quarterback of all time he should be able to get away with just about anything...
I am not a football fan although it certainly runs in my family. If you like this man, great, I would not diss him in a thousand earth years if he does something good for you and his other fans.
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Another thread going far, far away from the original intent.

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