Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Pilot Lounge > Hangar Talk
BA jet seconds from disaster in US 'near collision' >

BA jet seconds from disaster in US 'near collision'


Notices
Hangar Talk For non-aviation-related discussion and aviation threads that don't belong elsewhere

BA jet seconds from disaster in US 'near collision'

Old 10-20-2006, 05:53 PM
  #1  
Line Holder
Thread Starter
 
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 94
Default BA jet seconds from disaster in US 'near collision'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1770&ct=5

BA jet seconds from disaster in US 'near collision'
Last updated at 22:00pm on 20th October 2006

NEWS HOMEPAGE

A packed British Airways jet was just seconds from disaster after plummeting out of the sky in a dramatic near miss over America, it has emerged.

BA flight 2166 carrying 175 terrified passengers, three pilots and 11 crew plunged 600 feet in a bid to avoid collision with another plane above it.

Two passengers and four crew members were injured in the dramatic incident which took place at 16,500 feet just 15 minutes after take off from Tampa in Florida.

US air traffic controllers had just seconds earlier told the BA flight to start ascending from 16,000ft to 20,000ft when the emergency happened.

The emergency collision avoidance system on the Boeing 777 plane kicked in over the Atlantic Ocean, causing lights to flash and an alarm to sound in the cockpit, with the pilot hearing the words "descend,descend,descend."

The descent was so sudden that some of the crew members left the floor, went into "freefall" and hit their heads on the ceiling of the plane as it plummeted.

Others slammed into the bulkheads. All four crew were stood down from their duties while being treated for bruises on board in the Club cabin for the remainder of the flight.

They were met by paramedics when the plane landed at London Gatwick.

Injuries included back pains, bruises and swelling to arms and hands,

BA confirmed last night that the near miss is now being formally investigated by the US Federal Aviation Administration.

It said its pilots had acted properly and professionally but had been under the authority of US air traffic controllers when the emergency occurred.

Staff were praised for their handling of the emergency.

One eyewitness said: "I was on the Tampa flight. About 15 minutes into the climb the aircraft suddenly dropped out of the sky."

"Luckily all of other passengers were all still strapped in. But unfortunately the cabin crew were starting to prepare for service and were badly injured."

"At least four were so bad that they were unable to continue working."

The eye-witness said: "The captain came on and apologised saying that he had to take emergency evasion action to avoid a collision with another aircraft above him."

"There was a paramedic on board who apparently said 'It will be OK to continue but it was touch and go as to whether they return to Tampa."

BA confirmed that one of the forward Club class cabins was used as an impromptu sick-bay in which the injured stewardesses were treated and allowed to recuperate.

The eyewitness said: "I have been a frequent flyer for over 40 years and it is the scariest thing I have ever experienced."

"I'm off now to change my underwear."

Another said: "It felt like turbulence in the Club cabin but of course the poor guys and girls at the back got their freefall experience."

The stricken BA plane left Tampa, Florida at 6.30pm on Tuesday October 10 and landed at Gatwick at 8am on Wednesday October 11th. But details have only today emerged.

A BA spokesman said: "Our pilots were under the control of US air traffic controllers when the incident happened."

"They had been asked to ascend from 16,000ft to 20,000ft, but then told to hold at 16,500ft. At the same time the emergency collision avoidance system - TCAS- told our crew to descend. They followed this command."

BA said it did not know the identity of the other plane involved in the near miss - or how close - only that it had been above their plane.

Collision avoidance systems are programmed only to operate when a collision is likely and the safe space between aircraft - whether horizontally or vertically, has been compromised.

BA said: "We have filed a report with the US Federal Aviation Authority which is investigating."
miker1369 is offline  
Old 10-20-2006, 06:11 PM
  #2  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Posts: 228
Default

TCAS is programmed to not allow such violent changes. Pilots over did it is my guess
jmack is offline  
Old 10-20-2006, 06:23 PM
  #3  
New boss = Old boss
 
mike734's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Ca B737
Posts: 2,762
Default

Originally Posted by jmack
TCAS is programmed to not allow such violent changes. Pilots over did it is my guess
Bingo. Was a big surprise and the dumped the nose too quickly. Then again, they didn't hit anything so...Job well done? The author of the article probably over did it as well.
mike734 is offline  
Old 10-20-2006, 06:38 PM
  #4  
Gets Weekends Off
 
favila008's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 297
Default Situations of Deperate Need

When faced with situations of desperate need, we do what we feel is appropriate during that particular second. We regret later. I personally would have done the same, there is no time to see (if there is) or how far up is the other plane. Act fast, that is for what pilots are known for.
favila008 is offline  
Old 10-20-2006, 07:00 PM
  #5  
Gets Weekends Off
 
JSchraub's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: Student
Posts: 252
Default

They flew on to Gatwick? It seems like with injured crew members they would have returned..
JSchraub is offline  
Old 10-20-2006, 07:55 PM
  #6  
Gets Weekends Off
 
FLYING HIGH's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 126
Default

Originally Posted by mike734
Bingo. Was a big surprise and the dumped the nose too quickly. Then again, they didn't hit anything so...Job well done? The author of the article probably over did it as well.
I would also have done the same as the BA pilots. I prefer to say I over did it and everybody is alive than I did not take enough correction and we crashed.
FLYING HIGH is offline  
Old 10-21-2006, 06:42 AM
  #7  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Ottopilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,575
Default

You can over do it. I'd rather stick to my training on TCAS and follow the guidance on the EADI which would not put anyone into 0 G's, nor stress the airframe and possibly kill everyone by breaking the plane. I would only over do it if I had to by SEEING the plane and NEEDING to avoid it. TCAS should prevent that from happening. I have at least one TCAS event per month flying in the NY area.
Ottopilot is offline  
Old 10-21-2006, 07:19 AM
  #8  
MAGNUM!!
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Originally Posted by JSchraub
They flew on to Gatwick? It seems like with injured crew members they would have returned..
Agreed. They must not have been that "badly injured." Sounds like a HS junior wrote this article. Save your drama for your Mama.
 
Old 10-21-2006, 07:22 AM
  #9  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Ottopilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,575
Default

Originally Posted by MAGNUM!!
Agreed. They must not have been that "badly injured." Sounds like a HS junior wrote this article. Save your drama for your Mama.

It's all about ratings and sales. If it's not exciting, make stuff up.
Ottopilot is offline  
Old 10-21-2006, 03:11 PM
  #10  
Gets Weekends Off
 
JMT21's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 305
Default

Originally Posted by Ottopilot
I have at least one TCAS event per month flying in the NY area.
Whats the procedure for that...follow TCAS and notify ATC? Any extra paperwork?
JMT21 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Islandhopper
Hiring News
22
08-05-2007 06:36 PM
favila008
Regional
9
10-16-2006 06:04 PM
Islandhopper
Major
17
09-21-2006 07:32 AM
Islandhopper
Regional
19
09-19-2006 03:16 PM
TripleSeven
Flight Schools and Training
9
09-13-2006 04:55 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices