But you don't understand. The groupthink squad needs a target. If he's on ignore the target disappears.

Marty McFly too? :(

Skateboard, hoverboard, whatever...

So you're in touch with terrorist groups. They told you that there's no deterrence of hijacking with armed pilots?

Your ooonnnn ggguuuuaaaarrrdddd!!!

Was that a possessive statement? It's "you're".
If you're going to throw down at least look halfway intelligent while doing so.

This thread is bummin' me out now. It used to be a place where you'd come to read other peoples' observations of tools in their day to day lives. Now it's a place where you come to make your own observation of tools. Please, for everyone and their sanity, go back to posting about other tools. Tools for everyone!

lol.... nerd!

TOTD: The mainline captain who tried to sneak down the jetbridge to claim the jumpseat as his own. Even though the flight was being operated by a regional, and a company regional pilot had already listed for the Jump.

Yup. Nerd here. Graduated high school.

Was that a come back? I couldn't tell nerd

Absolutely correct. It is particularly strong, but expression limited to a vocal subgroup of the usual suspects. The vast majority of pilots or people, when sufficiently educated on an issue, can be extremely rational.

It is not surprising that the groupthink potential is particularly strong in cohesive military or police groups, also evidenced here - my Chuck Yeager quote is irritating to them which is why he is personally discredited / attacked to the outgroup (nothing to do with flight knowledge, etc.) Obviously this kind of phenomenon can be a beneficial / adaptive thing in war, but, we're not at war here. This phenomenon is a big reason that a civilian is the head of our military.

I'm pretty sure that terrorist groups appreciate KCM and the FFDO program which are great avenues for attack.

You're one of "the 1%" here. ;)

Let's get back to TOTD. I was going to nominate a lavender tool but his quote was apparently deleted.

Hey doc.........
ST$U

Groupthink speaks....

No, it wasn't. It was actually a comeback. It's one word. Use a dictionary, or spell check, or repeat 10th grade.

Even your lame, trolling retorts are replete with grammar and spelling errors. Ironically, I'm sure you want to be treated as a professional a while flying your "7er".

Dude, my wife just turned to me and said "what the (deleted) is your problem??"as I just sprayed my beer out if my nose across the entire table....well played sir

-I- don't have him on ignore.

In fact, I've been patiently waiting for the good doctor's eloquent and reasoned response to questions raised about a topic that HE invited discussion on in the first place. So far? Crickets.

Although, to be fair, he has hurled some personal insults at me in lieu of an actual answer.

<cough, cough>pusillanimous ****ant<cough, cough>

By the way, Packrat, I'm pretty sure you don't know what the word "groupthink" actually means. You can't just use that as an insult to someone who holds a different opinion than you. There's more to it.

Well, I guess you can just use it as an insult whenever you want; but you'd just be wrong.

Bubba

Good point. When are you going to educate yourself on the subjects at hand?...you know, with actual facts and evidence, rather than just your personal bugaboos?

Please explain why you believe this statement. Please.

As people who are actually familiar with TSA and aviation security (as opposed to you, that is), I'm sure that just about anyone on this board could explain to you why your above statement is laughable absurd. Think about it. And just let me know if you want me to explain it to you, okay?

Bubba

Yo, Doc--

You DO realize that your description of "groupthink" above is the perfect indictment of political correctness, right? I mean, you can't help but see that, right? Right?! And again, just let me know if you need this explained to you. I'll try to use smaller words, if that'll help.

Not to mention, the last few sentences describe you perfectly, Doc. Your "inflated certainty" about their "rightness" of your opinion in this regard, despite having zero empirical or statistical evidence (or even any kind of experience) to back up that opinion, is exactly what you've described in your quote. In fact, the actual available facts and evidence that are out there, all work to contradict your oft-repeated opinion, but clearly you can't be bothered by that. It's not what you and your group want to hear. That's why you shy away from, you know, ... actual facts.

But hey, keep repeating your mantra. Don't worry about those pesky contradictions. It's what your likeminded group wants you to think. You're doing them proud!

Bubba

Bubba,

Give up in the interest of preserving the Tool thread and the fact you will never get a response conceding a point from a MD regards to aviation.

I must say haven't followed FFDO discussion much so...

I am sorry, I can't put it differently, but... who are you?

Well, once again, it’s time to pay recognition to those special tools on the roadways out there that have the “too” virus when it comes to using their turn signals.

These charming folks are; too arrogant, too busy, too lazy, too important and too ignorant to use some common courtesy and basic safety to touch that turn signal lever. They worry about everything else in the universe it seems except for common courtesy and some basic safety. Because; they are the only person in the world on the roadways and they certainly cannot have any effect on anyone else around them, right?

You go you wonderful tools! I’ll listen for your 5 seconds of fame during the next traffic update. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I guess flying to Eurotrashland on a weekly basis for the last 8 years counts as "Doesn't get out much." :rolleyes:

Actually, I'm sure I do know what it means. As defined by Psychology Today:

Groupthink
What Is Groupthink?

Groupthink occurs when a group values harmony and coherance over accurate analysis and critical evaluation. It causes individual members of the group to unquestioningly follow the word of the leader and it strongly discourages any disagreement with the concensus.

Groupthink is rampant on APC. Differing views are generally met with disdain and often with moderator action. Sorry if you can't accept that.

Groupthink is also pervasive among the FFDO community. Even though they can't show even one case where an FFDO has prevented an action, they insist on self-glorification of "another layer of safety" so they can continue to tote around their pistols, badges and Barney Fife egos.

Holy crap, the tools have invaded this thread close it now, we can all run and hide for another year from them.

Yes. I did. You can the description here: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/2044607-post7485.html

I still don't think IAD area drivers are anywhere near as bad as NYC drivers. That said, I'm glad you brought up something different than FFDO crap. maybe we can find another subject to agree to disagree on! :D

Fantastic. You can look up a definition on the internet (although apparently you can't copy it without misspelling multiple words). Regardless, you continue to misuse the word, which leads one to suspect that you don't actually understand its meaning. Numerous times you have accused other members of "groupthink" simply because they held a differing opinion from you. That's quite a leap in logic. Or lack of logic I should say.

My personal favorite was when a member had quoted another member's post, and simply noted with a single sentence that he agreed with the sentiment. You pounced with your accusation of "groupthink." However, exactly one page earlier, you had used nearly the exact same word-for-word single sentence that he had, to express that you agreed with a different member's post. What's the takeaway here? If you agree with a sentiment, it's righteous, but if someone agrees with a sentiment that you don't, it's "groupthink"? Still think you're using it correctly?

Tell you what: why don't you look up "irony" next, and then get back to us.

Bubba

For the love of all that is good and holy, can we take the merit/value of the FFDO program discussion and the related psychology of the FFDO program discussion to their own thread or to PM?

I can't disagree with you on that LNL76 dear. And I know we don't disagree on common courtesy and respect. :)

Yes! Let's not forget a proper upbringing where good manners are taught as well! :)

Speaking of bad drivers... How about the guy who sees nothing wrong with going the exact speed limit in the left lane, even when there is no one next to him in the lane to the right? Why should he move over to the right for someone who is obviously speeding, he wonders? When I tried to explain to him that not doing so is actually illegal in many states, he didn't believe me. Sigh...

Had to go to Seattle the other day. Traffic was bad as usual and we came to a crawl on I5 right above BFI. So i looked over to the left to watch a corporate jet take off. I turned to the right just in time to see the driver in the next lane also trying to look at the jet. He was picking his nose.

Sorry you had to witness that driver showing off his multitasking skills Vagabond. :eek:

I hear that.

No Matter the speed I am traveling, I try to stay in the right-hand lane as much as possible and let the jedi warriors battle it out in the left hand lane. My days of alpha male in the left hand lane are long gone. :o

Chicken! The middle lane is the best...you get to deal with jackassses from BOTH sides! :p

You go girl! Anymore, I just pull up a seat in the gallery section and watch the action from afar. That's Mr. Chicken to you. :D

Years ago Richard Petty was behind someone doing that on I95 in NC. Gave him a tap and moved him out of the way. Just rubbin' man! :D

Atlanta drivers are particularly bad about this. It's funny in rush hour how driving in the right lane is typically considerably faster than competing with all the dummies jamming into the left lanes.