Mass Murder in Aurora
 

This is frickin' sick.

Mass shooting at Batman screening in Aurora, Colo.; At least 12 dead, dozens more wounded - CBS News

:mad:

Horrible. A friend lost her daughter and another just barely made it out.

Probably wouldn't have been as terrible or even happened if concealed carry weapons were not prohibited in theatres. :mad:

Disgusting.

You can't carry in CO theatres? Wow.

the MFer will rot in jail for the rest of his life when they ought to just put bullet in his head... how many millions of dollars will this low life now cost the state of CO and federal govt over the next 60 years....

Horrible news. I was wondering the same thing; if a concealed weapons permit guy had been there many lives may have been saved.

A bullet in his skull is way too nice. He should be forced to run a gamut of Saw-like tortures before they finally have him hung, drawn, and quartered.

Amen, Herc, amen.
Can't wait to hear his lawyer proclaim he's "insane." :mad:

Couldn't agree more. F this guy and let the Mexican Mafia use him as target practice. It's Virginia Tech all over again, another gutless coward with a gun. I emphasize GUTLESS!:confused:

Cinnamark, owner of the theatre, has a no firearms policy...even for those legally carrying via CCW. I hope they see some liability out of this. Just one CCW could have saved a lot of lives.

Man....can't even go to the movies with out worrying about some nut job shooting up the place....

Wait... You mean to tell me this homicidal shooter didn't pay attention to the no firearms sign? What?? I'm shocked!

I have never understood the point of restricting law abiding citizens that would actually follow the rules, from legally carrying handguns into an establishment. It is one of the most illogical things I've ever come across.

Probably wont after the media goes after guns.

The guy was in full tactical gear with bullet proof vest and helmet. A CCW might have been ineffective and ended in death.

It's the premise though.

The guy walked into a theatre where firearms are prohibited.

Now, would he have done the same if he knew that everyone in the theatre was armed?

His quick and silent surrender with no shots fired on police makes it clear that he had no desire to die or commit suicide, he wants attention. Therefore, walking into a theatre full of armed people would have not served his goal.

Sir, I think you have a good case for a full refund from the last school you attended.

From a preventative standpoint, I completely agree. That's why I enjoy living in Oregon where we can open carry, and with a CCW, can open carry almost anywhere we want.

It would have slowed him down for sure, however with his gear you would have likely drawn his attention and unless you put one through his grape you would likely become a victim. I doubt it was a bullet proof helmet. This is one reason that if you are going to exercise your rights to carry then you should be very good with your weapon. Of course no one says you have to be the hero. You could try your best to get away. That is a split second decision that you really have to go with instinct.

In the state where I live you can carry into an establishment (except for bars and government buildings) even if there is a no weapons sign. If the business management finds out you are carrying then they can ask you to leave and you must oblige or you are trespassing but if they don't know then you aren't breaking any laws. So basically if the movie theatre was in my state then you could carry in even though it is posted that you cannot. Hard to say whether or not it would have made a difference. From all initial reports this was a thought out and planned attack. In fact I think the police did a hell of a job by getting him before he did even more damage. There were likely several hundred or more in that theatre.

Why do you have such a hard-on for me? Do I need to think about open carrying on this forum, too?

I enjoy my constitutional right to bear arms, but sometimes you need to think things through before you pull your piece and unload into center mass. The guy had full tactical gear. You may have been able to pull off a knee or hand shot, but it was dark, there were people screaming and running; and oh yeah, the gunman had an AK-47.

I think the best chance might have been during his reloads, but even then it would have been a tough shot.

I think you misread my quote... I was saying that the chance of becoming another victim was pretty high. And helmets don't necessarily have to be bullet proof - they are rounded to reduce penetration.

And the cops arrived on scene to see the gunman standing at his car, essentially waiting to be arrested (according to the most recent reports) - we can not rely on cops to defend ourselves.

What sucks is that on a ton of other forums throughout this country, someone is saying, "Would NEVER have happened if guns were prohibited in this country! Down with guns!"

I'll never understand it...

Good discussion and what many would feel to be rightful sentiments, but when the topic starts to turn towards sensitive issues (and we all know what is likely to be a hot topic in the coming days), let's remember that TOS regarding politically motivated posts. Thanks.

USMCFLYR

I was actually agreeing with you. Average shooter probably can't make that shot in well lit range scenario. Very difficult in actual situation. Extremely difficult in dark theatre with mass chaos. The reason I said slow him down is that we really don't know how he would have reacted if the bullets started flying at him. He may have well retreated or he may have turned that AK right at you and that could be that.

In the end there is no way to say what could have happened. We are only learning what happened and how to better prepare ourselves if this ever happened again.

-UA

Well said, UA.

Did he have a AR or AK?

Initial reports stated AK-47, but this is probably newscasters making up bogus information until solid facts can come in.

How can you folks be sure, at this point, that no one else in the theatre had a weapon? Also, in chaos, I think a patron with a gun would have had a slim chance at hitting the shooter in the dark with tear gas floating. I don't buy that allowing guns into a movie legally would have prevented this. It's a poor argument for looser ccw laws.
This is coming from a gun owner.

To those who think guns should be prohibited...

Look what happened in Norway not too long ago. Man kills a hundred kids in a nation that outlaws firearms. The point is, crazies like this one will get their hands on weapons to do harm to others no matter what the laws are. Concealed carry permits at least make a lot of criminals think twice and protect the law-abiding citizens of this nation.

And I don't believe they will ever take our firearms away. I don't believe they can at this point. There would be a real-deal revolution if they tried.

If someone wants to rob, do physical harm, or kill you, they will most likely approach it with the notion that you do have a gun. Guns aren't the deterrent most of you are making it seem. Most crimes don't go down the way you see it on the "Dumbest Criminal" shows.

That would explain why cops and the military tend to favor them.

The best deterrent is avoidance, awareness and understanding your current situation. Sometimes all of our careful actions fail. This then becomes a reaction, long past the point of deterrence. Guns offer no deterrence at all to people who cannot see them.

It is also difficult to prepare for stark raving insanity.

Huh? I wasn't aware this was a bygone conclusion of your common criminal.

Strange that anyone would take 3-month old baby or six year-old kid to a midnight movie screening....

Need a license to drive a car, but nothing to be a parent:eek:

All four of his weapons were bought legally.
2 Glocks
1 Shotgun
1 Assult Riffle

This is a very myopic comment from someone in the aviation industry. How do you not realize many people aren't on 9-to-5 schedules?

When my wife and I had our first child, she stayed home and I worked copious evening shifts, so it was quite common for all of us to be out and about at midnight.

It's summer, so the school-age kids don't have anywhere to be in the morning.

No matter how insane some people may be, they still understand that their best odds are against a group of innocent, unarmed people
in an enclosed area.

Police are there to clean up the mess, take notes and comment on the sad state of the human condition. That isn't going to help you during such an event.

I didn't say all. I said most. That opinion is based on multiple conversations with many family and friends that happen to be in law enforcement.

I am ready to outlaw crazy whenever you are, but I am not ready to ban cars over a few drunk/drugged drivers.

It is looking like the shooter had a long history with OWS and Black Bloc.

As someone who has, and has used, a CHL, I can tell you, they're a very effective deterrent.

I carry everywhere I am legally permitted to. I keep myself up to date on the law of the state I live in, and the states I travel to where I can legally carry. I pay attention to my surroundings, and I regularly go to the range to pop some paper. A smart, well-qualified, legal gun owner will have the upper hand over a psychotic guy who grabs his gun and walks into the street.

Please don't lump CHL/CCW holders in with 'some gun owner' like the mainstream media does.


Similarly...here's a lovely story blaming Batman and action movies full of violence for his acts...from Yahoo (surprisingly :rolleyes: ):
Was James Holmes, Suspected Aurora Shooter, Inspired by Batman? - Yahoo!

Look, nowhere did I say outlaw them. I own a gun. What I said in my original post was that this tragedy is not a strong case for looser ccw laws. No one here knows for sure if no one else in that theatre had a gun. He did expect folks to have guns which is probably why he wore the vest. He gave up to the cops without a gun exchange.

If we deny the right of self defense to the smallest minority, the individual, then we deny it to a large swath of the public. There is nothing "loose" about CCW laws, and CCW holders are the most law abiding group of people in the US.

This event had nothing to do with CCW, and everything to do with a complete lunatic.