Wind power review
08-16-2012 | 07:24 PM
#31
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Please show us your case study son. I am open to anything you might possibly prove.
In the meantime, remember "Brawndo's got what plants crave".
Idiocracy - Brawndo - YouTube
In the meantime, remember "Brawndo's got what plants crave".
Idiocracy - Brawndo - YouTube
08-16-2012 | 07:40 PM
#32
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I looked yesterday at several solar systems providing 8-15kw, looking at around 20-25K or so with all the stuff you need. Just search for "solar panels", it's what I did. Might be able to do it for cheaper if you buy the parts and really know how to shop around, but the point isn't that you buy it and it pays off in a year as far as "the grid", but you add that value to your house, and that is good for you and whomever buys it down the road. At that time, it may be "off the grid" so to speak. A windmill may not be as dramatic, but it could still be significant, especially since it seems they are a bit cheaper than the 11K you quoted, but in any case, they aren't necessarily going to be the best for every situation, as you have said previously.
You talk a lot, but seem to say nothing.
Engineering, facts, numbers, and how you beat the system by going off the grid. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
Speak not of what seems, but tell us of what is and how you made it yours.
Otherwise boy, it's back to this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vw2CrY9Igs
Speculation is dandy, but most of us prefer facts, you have come up short in this department. Whenever you are ready to deal in facts we are more than ready to listen.
I invite anyone to tell us of their windmill or solar installation. Cost, output, and compare it to the grid. This isn't difficult, it just calls for truth.
I will be happy to buy into the first productive example.
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08-16-2012 | 10:48 PM
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From: Boeing Hearing and Ergonomics Lab Rat, Night Shift
180W Panels x39
7KW Inverter
In service Jan 01, 2009.
Bidirectional meter reading at install 50,000
Meter reading today 49873 (-127 Kw usage)
2008 electric bill $1896.85 (8.5-14.5% rate increase in Oct 2008)
System cost out of pocket $28K
30 year loan @ 5% $150/month or $1800 annually
Mortgage interest of $1500 now tax deductible
Electric energy rate frozen for next 30 years
2 roof mounted AC 2.5 ton packaged units approx 15+ years old
40,000 gal pool
- No electric usage bill since Jan 2009
- PV system payment lower than previous electric bill
- PV system interest payment tax deductible
- No rate increase, ever
- 30 Year PV panel warrantee
- All hardware purchased at Costco with 1% cash back bonus
If you can get the financing and live where the sun shines this is a complete no brainer financially....
YMMV
Cheers
George
08-17-2012 | 05:14 AM
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I dont know if the solar panels work, I hope they do. I wish nothing but rainbows for those that install them. Just dont want to help them pay for it. I do hope my neighbors dont install them where I can see them. May help his property value but not mine.
08-17-2012 | 06:28 AM
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Re: wind power review
I'm told their service life is over 30 years.
Just dont want to help them pay for it.
By the way, as James said, it increases property values which is good for the
neighbors regardless of whether they're Luddites or not.
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08-17-2012 | 06:33 AM
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My system uses made in America Sharp 240W panels that have a 25year warrenty.
I'm told their service life is over 30 years.
My 5.2 kW array costs $27,000 installed but a full third of that comes back in federal and state tax credits. So I guess the only way you can get even with me is buy one yourself.
By the way, as James said, it increases property values which is good for the
neighbors regardless of whether they're Luddites or not.
I'm told their service life is over 30 years.
My 5.2 kW array costs $27,000 installed but a full third of that comes back in federal and state tax credits. So I guess the only way you can get even with me is buy one yourself.
By the way, as James said, it increases property values which is good for the
neighbors regardless of whether they're Luddites or not.
08-17-2012 | 07:53 AM
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My system uses made in America Sharp 240W panels that have a 25 year warrenty.
I'm told their service life is over 30 years.
My 5.2 kW array costs $27,000 installed but a full third of that comes back in federal and state tax credits. So I guess the only way you can get even with me is buy one yourself.
By the way, as James said, it increases property values which is good for the
neighbors regardless of whether they're Luddites or not.
.
I'm told their service life is over 30 years.
My 5.2 kW array costs $27,000 installed but a full third of that comes back in federal and state tax credits. So I guess the only way you can get even with me is buy one yourself.
By the way, as James said, it increases property values which is good for the
neighbors regardless of whether they're Luddites or not.
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I know you lefties are great at getting others to pay for your bad ideas. No thanks that would be like saying I have to go on disability to get my fair share of Social Security.
And yet so many HOAs ban solar panels; any idea what the main function of a Home Owners Association is? If you said protect property values, you would be right.
But rainbows, clear skys and low winds for your little science project. As I said I am an all of the above type of guy.
08-17-2012 | 08:04 AM
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From: Corporate Pilot
Wildcard
The wildcard in this whole debate is the future. If energy rates go up considerably or if supply becomes an issue then windmills and solar panels would become priceless.
It does not commonly make finical sense however it must feel good to know that if the grid goes down that you can still re-charge your iPad battery and can run the lights.
Skyhigh
It does not commonly make finical sense however it must feel good to know that if the grid goes down that you can still re-charge your iPad battery and can run the lights.
Skyhigh
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