SWA easing expansion into HI
 

SWA taking a “break”

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/08/27/breaking-news/southwest-eases-off-hawaiian-air-squeeze-with-expansion-break/

How many MAX’s do they have parked? How many should they have received that are instead parked in Renton or Moses Lake?

I’m not surprised they have throttled back on their expansion plans.

Anyone know how full or empty their interisland flights are? They always seem to have cheap "wanna get away" fares available the day prior. Does that mean they are not filling up seats or are they just selling really cheap seats to make sure it doesn't go out empty?

Myidtravel shows every single flight green smiley face and wide open in all directions this week inter-island. That’s any combination of Ogg hnl koa.

I've never seen their gate areas looking very full interisland, especially for a 170 seat a/c.

Not filling seats OR not going out empty are hand in hand with cheap fares...

Besides their wanna get away fares, the rest of their interisland fares are outrageously expensive

34 parked. Should have 80 flying, more or less.

SWA easing expansion into HI
 

One 4 day I flew had 2 days of inter island flying. 165 was the lowest number. Another trip had 110 as the lowest. With the fares so low, the flights would show 30-40 open the day prior and full the next day. People can buy the tickets and if they don’t need to go, simply cancel and the credit is good for a year with no penalty. We’re seeing high numbers of this happening.

Only 4 flights, but here’s the loads for Friday HNL to KOA.

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Can you screen shot the next week too? Thanks in advance

80 more aircraft would equate to what? 1000 more pilots?

I think we have them already!

I was talking gainfully employed flying, not twiddling thumbs on reserve....:D

Wow, high loads. What about a non-holiday weekday. Let’s say Sep 4th or 11th?

Sorry I couldn't do a cool screenshot.

Our flights to KOA at the same departure times as yours (usually 2 flights to your 1) are either oversold or showing 2-3 seat avail. The other 19 flights are mostly full, except for maybe the 5:30am flight..... BTW Fridays are always full.

Congrats on selling a last minute seat for $39.. should keep the route real profitable. It's actually quite telling that a day before, your planes are not going out even close to full, and need a $39 fare to sell the seat.

If your ever traveling inter island your welcome to the jumpseat anytime.

Come on man. Where’s your Warrior Spirit? You’ll never pass that SWA interview with that kind of attitude.

Hawaiian is about to become a great underdog story

Talk to me in about 30 years when I retire. I hope that is true.

Forgot to post I already got the call, cya all online

Lmao. Oh the irony :rolleyes:

First off, you make it way too enjoyable getting under your skin.

Second, can't believe you took my line without giving credit. Weak. And I've been on Hawaiian jumpseat..the CA ate half of my sunflower seeds..ranch flavor as well. Rude

You offered it...[emoji23]

How long will the "fence" last when Southwest buys or merges with Hawaiian?

Long enough for HA pilots to be wide-body captains and WN pilots to still be 737 FOs. Worst career progression in the industry....but hey at least they can continue to celebrate about how Bullet proof their business model is.

Let’s just say that Trump’s “fence” will be done YEARS before SWA and HA ever merge.

I’m a realist. The writing is on the wall. Look at HA’s stock price and market cap. It’s a matter of time before one of the big four picks them off. Sale price is basically 40% off what was three years ago, it might be 50% off within a year.

That said, out of the four, I promise SWA will be the LAST to do it. The business model just doesn’t match up. If you really want to come to work for Hawaiian that much, just apply.

Well now you can ride the wonderful 737 jumpseat back to SMF, well maybe in January.. I know they'll be full because you'll be selling $49 fares to fill up your planes the night before. Hey if I request to join the SWA ETOPS page, will you admin.me in. Thanks....

Come on, they can upgrade to OAK at year 10... really nice hotels near the airport

Once again...under your skin. Love it!!

Surprisingly the dates past the first day they announced them are not cheap. But you already know that since you spend your days off covering all things Southwest.

You better go man...your meatloaf is calling. I didn't know there were basements in Hawaii.

Jumpseat is yours brah.

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I don’t see it. For SWA Hawaii is all about California. I still think that’s their main target.

Yeah, that's definitely it. Going to hurt Alaska more than anyone The customers demanded it. Will expand some when we get all the Max's online including the Max7 but our main expansion in the next 10 years is going to be South America when terminal 0 is built in LA.

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Yea, acquiring HA would be a secondary element of the California battle. If Alaska retreats north, fight’s off.

BTW, what is HA’s Boeing book order?

Must be realizing what its like doing biness in HI...

10 787s with deliveries starting in 2021 with 10 options.

Still waiting on whether Hawaiian will take the additional 9 options for the 321 NEO on top of the 18 they are getting. The wait to exercise those options will be a good 4 to 5 years.

No way, didn't ya know they all know more than us about how Hawaii works :rolleyes:.. Some of them have even done some inter island legs for a few days

You guys realize that pilots don’t make any decisions about where an airline serves and doesn’t, right?
You also realize that SWA literally has the guy who invented the modern Hawaiian route structure, right?
Not being boastful or saying that swa will crush it. They often pull out of markets that do not work, but usually after years of trying different things. This was not, however, a foolhardy move. It was well thought out and carefully planned.

Watterson? I can absolutely verify that he did not invent the interisland route structure. The current structure is just Hawaiian + Aloha, and that was started before he was at HAL. There is no magic to it, SWA has to run interisland since they don’t code share. I wouldn’t be surprised if they operate it at a loss.

SWA easing expansion into HI
 

Yes I am aware.
Look, I don’t give a sh1t about how well SWA does in Hawaii vs Hawaiian so I don’t really care. It isn’t a competition to me. I show up and fly where and when I am told and come home. The checks keep clearing. I am happy.
I am just saying that SWA is run very much like a business and not a pet project. They are there to make money, period, and I highly doubt that it will be a loss maker. I don’t think their goal is to run Hawaiian out of business at all. That would serve nobody’s best interests.
I have recently gotten PMs from folks who are way too emotionally attached to their airline of choice wildly defending it and refuting statements that I have made. We are all labor and are subject to the whims of our benevolent overlords. My cushy job is no more secure than anyone else’s.
In an oligarchy like the current airline business, fringe players who step on the wrong toes are going to be viewed as a threat. The oligarchs are going to use their size and power to stifle any competitive advantage that may upset the balance that exist$. That is not what is going on right now in the Hawaiian islands. This is a move to solidify SWAs play to own the west coast of the mainland.

Also, SWA could codeshare inter island if they chose to. There is nothing stopping them.

Or from selling on Expedia, but then their profits will look like everyone else’s.

... or a few weeks in your case. ;)

Oh yeah? Then who paid for the southwest shark chasing after the Alaska and hawaiian as fishes?!

I had no issue with southwest prior to seeing that picture. To mean it shows a lack of respect for your fellow aviator. I'm baffled that pilots/swapa would even allow something like that. Maybe that's the swa culture I don't know.
Shows lack of pono.

Let's not forget about the Hawaiian flag hanging outside of the cockpit of the Southwest plane in solidarity with Mauna Kea. Well played.

Were you around to witness the Hawaiian's "superiority" complex during the attempted merger as well as the constant bashing of the fellow ALPA brothers across the ramp? Hawaiian pilots should be the last ones to talk about 'pono.'

I thought the shark was appropriate. From the sheer size of our prospective airlines to the market, let's face it, your entire airline is literally the size of one of our smaller domiciles and we have 11.

And you know what else? If I were at Hawaiian, I'd look at that picture and use it as a motivator: save gas, look to provide even better customer service, do small things for your customers individually, get myself in the mindset that we are the underdogs, embrace it and kick a$$ with it. Show the world how David beat Goliath.

Instead, we have a bunch of punanis running around screaming about how their feewings and okoles were hurt by a competitor's wall mounts. SMDH...