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Old 09-16-2023, 01:27 AM
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Any chance of a small displacement bid for 321? Especially if this engine issue is going to drag out through 2026… Time to get some beater 321 CEOs and ETOPS them up.
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Old 09-16-2023, 06:04 AM
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Any chance of a small displacement bid for 321? Especially if this engine issue is going to drag out through 2026… Time to get some beater 321 CEOs and ETOPS them up.
Possible, but only if it will reduce unnecessary training. Don’t think it makes sense to down grade or displace. Maybe just reduce the glut of future FO new hires. We don’t know how many aircraft are affected yet. Could offer targeted surfer leaves.
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Old 09-16-2023, 06:27 AM
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Don’t bet too high on Amazon. They pulled AmeriJet and Silver short notice. There is likely a nice “early termination fee” should the contract drop, but that won’t save the pilots on the street, only the golden parachute. rumors from other Amazon pilot groups is that loading is difficult, delays are common (aircraft conversions) and it’s not any cheaper than the 767.

The true concern is the A321 NEO engine problem. Last article I read had them down 50% of their entire A320 fleet in 2024. Unless a solution is reached, the company will likely be… the Big B.

I feel for Hawaiian Airlines and pilots. I don’t know anyone left there anymore, but it’s not a good situation. If you’re sticking it out for island life, maybe worth it. If you’re there for anything else, just study airline history.
Amerijet only had a few lines for Amazon and weren't an actual Amazon partner. Much like ATI has DHL and UPS flying, especially during peak. Silver was a small venture to see if the Q400's made more sense than running B737's on very short legs. It didn't. they couldn't hold enough bulk to make sense.
I'm not sure who is saying loading is difficult, but it's not. CVG runs a little slow because they have some self inflicted ground personnel issues. The loading itself is very easy and transparent to the carriers. The only thing Amazon cares about from us is to push on time and arrive NLT 15 minutes after the intended arrival time. Aircraft conversions do take time. I think that's why Amazon is trying out different conversion facilities other than what was used for the 767, even though some of them have the STC for the conversions. Last I checked, the next two were sitting in Mobile, AL undergoing conversion.
I'm with the above poster.... As long as Hawaiian makes Amazon happy, there will be a nice steady cashflow for at least the next 10 years. Amazon hasn't been in the habit of pulling the rug out from under performing carriers. And despite popular belief, they don't seem to whipsaw one against the other either. The only thing I've seen is that they have a long memory if you do them dirty. Ask ABX about that one.
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Old 09-19-2023, 06:30 AM
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SWA+HA would be a great combo for both sides.
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SWA management’s heads would explode trying to take on four new fleet types. No way, no how is that happening.

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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER View Post
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SWA management’s heads would explode trying to take on four new fleet types. No way, no how is that happening.

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Right?! Poster is embarrassing themself.
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SWA not happening, several reasons.

Alaska has plausibly been kicking the tires. Might be good for both companies, but probably not great for pilots
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER View Post
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SWA management’s heads would explode trying to take on four new fleet types. No way, no how is that happening.

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Exactly! Now remind me about the time that Southwest acquired another airline flying a different type, got rid of all non-737 equipment and retained their pilots... After all, Delta needs A330's, United needs 787's, no one needs 717's or A321neos with bad engines, and Southwest needs pilots. Is there anything that says history can't repeat itself?
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 View Post
Exactly! Now remind me about the time that Southwest acquired another airline flying a different type, got rid of all non-737 equipment and retained their pilots... After all, Delta needs A330's, United needs 787's, no one needs 717's or A321neos with bad engines, and Southwest needs pilots. Is there anything that says history can't repeat itself?
The DOJ and Hawaii flying.
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The DOJ and Hawaii flying.
Southwest certainly doesn't have a monopoly flying to/from Hawaii. Interisland, no different than when Aloha went under and Hawaiian had a monopoly until Southwest entered the market with plenty of room for other airlines to enter the market. Now... would there be groups suing and griping about it? Absolutely... just like there were during merger attempts between Hawaiian and Aloha. But in the end... pretty sure it would go through, but let's hope it doesn't happen.
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 View Post
Southwest certainly doesn't have a monopoly flying to/from Hawaii. Interisland, no different than when Aloha went under and Hawaiian had a monopoly until Southwest entered the market with plenty of room for other airlines to enter the market. Now... would there be groups suing and griping about it? Absolutely... just like there were during merger attempts between Hawaiian and Aloha. But in the end... pretty sure it would go through, but let's hope it doesn't happen.
Aloha went chapter 7. There is no “sorry you can’t do that” moment or entity to undo that. Hawaii HATED having only one carrier. So, IF Hawaiian was on the ropes or even elected to sell out of a bankruptcy, yes it would likely still be stopped by some governing body. There are other suitors that make sense; it wouldn’t be up to the highest bidder as much as the most eligible bidder.
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