What would you do?
08-02-2010 | 07:39 AM
#21
Are we there yet??!!
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08-02-2010 | 04:17 PM
#22
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You can add a type rating to any pilot certificate private pilot or "higher".
Exhibit A:
https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airm...7078&certNum=1
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Exhibit A:
https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airm...7078&certNum=1
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08-02-2010 | 08:51 PM
#24
Eats shoots and leaves...
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From: Didactic Synthetic Aviation Experience Provider
[quote=Poke Pilot;849405]
To me, if you have the opportunity (and get the PIC type), in reality you're effectively working your first year for regional wages, but you now have a type rating in your pocket that no one (except the FAA) can take away from you which can help you get a job and earn a living down the road. To me that's a better gig with better QOL than the regionals (with the exception of you almost undoubtedly won't be building flight time as rapidly).quote]
bcrosier
I like your thought process, and if given the opportunity, I will ask about doing the PIC type instead of a SIC.
My total time is just over 750 with about 36 multi. All in the Dutchess and KingAir.
It all dosent matter though if I can't get the job, but I am pretty sure I will. And I totally agree about the QOL being better than the Regionals. As it stands right now, I can't even meet their mins anyway.
Thanks
My two concerns for you are - what sort of background/training do you have with turbine systems and honestly, how sharp are you as a pilot (I know we all think were a couple notches shy of Bob Hoover).
I don't want to throw water on things after pushing the PIC option, but a bit of realistic self evaluation is also in order here to make sure you are ready for a PIC type if you go that route (and forgive me if I'm insulting you on this - I just don't know your background).
Don't go to school expecting them to teach you how generic turbine systems operate (ie; you need to understand how air cycle machines operate, T/R's & Inverters, hydraulics, jet pumps, ect. and so on). They are there to teach you how these elements are put together and used on that particular type. If you don't understand a basic generic turbine systems and operation you will really struggle with the ground school. It's not brain surgery, you can certainly learn this stuff before you go if do don't already know it - just be up on your game when you get there.
As far as your flying skills, it's all ATP standards so there's no mystery there. And you do have some King Air time, so you've at least experienced the higher performance of a turbine. Going to a jet is another order of magnitude up in performance, and you need to be that much further ahead of the aircraft. It accelerates and climbs MUCH faster, and it doesn't want to slow down. The biggest problem many people have is blasting around the pattern and not getting slowed down and configured - remember it's not a race, slow things down and don't rush. Also, watch over correcting/over controlling, and your scan definitely needs to be up to speed. Again, it isn't rocket science - but again you really need to be on your game.
Like I said, I don't mean to be a wet blanket after pushing this - I still think going for the PIC is the way to go if you can, you just need to show up to prepared.
Good luck!
To me, if you have the opportunity (and get the PIC type), in reality you're effectively working your first year for regional wages, but you now have a type rating in your pocket that no one (except the FAA) can take away from you which can help you get a job and earn a living down the road. To me that's a better gig with better QOL than the regionals (with the exception of you almost undoubtedly won't be building flight time as rapidly).quote]
bcrosier
I like your thought process, and if given the opportunity, I will ask about doing the PIC type instead of a SIC.
My total time is just over 750 with about 36 multi. All in the Dutchess and KingAir.
It all dosent matter though if I can't get the job, but I am pretty sure I will. And I totally agree about the QOL being better than the Regionals. As it stands right now, I can't even meet their mins anyway.
Thanks
I don't want to throw water on things after pushing the PIC option, but a bit of realistic self evaluation is also in order here to make sure you are ready for a PIC type if you go that route (and forgive me if I'm insulting you on this - I just don't know your background).
Don't go to school expecting them to teach you how generic turbine systems operate (ie; you need to understand how air cycle machines operate, T/R's & Inverters, hydraulics, jet pumps, ect. and so on). They are there to teach you how these elements are put together and used on that particular type. If you don't understand a basic generic turbine systems and operation you will really struggle with the ground school. It's not brain surgery, you can certainly learn this stuff before you go if do don't already know it - just be up on your game when you get there.
As far as your flying skills, it's all ATP standards so there's no mystery there. And you do have some King Air time, so you've at least experienced the higher performance of a turbine. Going to a jet is another order of magnitude up in performance, and you need to be that much further ahead of the aircraft. It accelerates and climbs MUCH faster, and it doesn't want to slow down. The biggest problem many people have is blasting around the pattern and not getting slowed down and configured - remember it's not a race, slow things down and don't rush. Also, watch over correcting/over controlling, and your scan definitely needs to be up to speed. Again, it isn't rocket science - but again you really need to be on your game.
Like I said, I don't mean to be a wet blanket after pushing this - I still think going for the PIC is the way to go if you can, you just need to show up to prepared.
Good luck!
08-05-2010 | 08:25 AM
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From: CFI
[QUOTE=Poke Pilot;849405]
To me, if you have the opportunity (and get the PIC type), in reality you're effectively working your first year for regional wages, but you now have a type rating in your pocket that no one (except the FAA) can take away from you which can help you get a job and earn a living down the road. To me that's a better gig with better QOL than the regionals (with the exception of you almost undoubtedly won't be building flight time as rapidly).quote]
bcrosier
I like your thought process, and if given the opportunity, I will ask about doing the PIC type instead of a SIC.
My total time is just over 750 with about 36 multi. All in the Dutchess and KingAir.
It all dosent matter though if I can't get the job, but I am pretty sure I will. And I totally agree about the QOL being better than the Regionals. As it stands right now, I can't even meet their mins anyway.
Thanks
Hi, I have about 1000 hours and 70 multi and I'm in the same situation. They're offering me a job in the Lear but I'd have to go get my own type rating. I don't know if I should take that or buy more hours in a twin and then apply to work in Colgan.
To me, if you have the opportunity (and get the PIC type), in reality you're effectively working your first year for regional wages, but you now have a type rating in your pocket that no one (except the FAA) can take away from you which can help you get a job and earn a living down the road. To me that's a better gig with better QOL than the regionals (with the exception of you almost undoubtedly won't be building flight time as rapidly).quote]
bcrosier
I like your thought process, and if given the opportunity, I will ask about doing the PIC type instead of a SIC.
My total time is just over 750 with about 36 multi. All in the Dutchess and KingAir.
It all dosent matter though if I can't get the job, but I am pretty sure I will. And I totally agree about the QOL being better than the Regionals. As it stands right now, I can't even meet their mins anyway.
Thanks
08-05-2010 | 02:48 PM
#26
Eats shoots and leaves...
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From: Didactic Synthetic Aviation Experience Provider
[quote=AIC111;851281]
I'm not really an airline guy (yes, I fly for an airline, but I still consider myself a corporate pilot who happens to be flying for an airline), so take it for what it's worth - I'd rather have a sister in a *****house...
I never would have left corporate flying if I knew what a cesspool airline flying was going to turn into in the last 10-15 years...
I never would have left corporate flying if I knew what a cesspool airline flying was going to turn into in the last 10-15 years...
08-20-2010 | 04:58 PM
#28
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From: Riding Shotgun 4 life
You would be silly not to take it. Waiting for the perfect situation in this climate is suicide. Take the lear time, you need the multi engine turbine time, not the lear type. A PIC type and $5.00 will get you a good cheeseburger these days. But I have friends with 0.0 PIC turbine who have just landed 747/400 jobs (this month in the USA). But nobody's hiring anyone with just 4000 hours of PIC recip, I dont care how many engines they have.
08-20-2010 | 05:34 PM
#29
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They are required to give you a 135.293(b) before you act as SIC on 135 trips. If you do your training in the aircraft what you'll then do is take a copy of your checkride and a completed 8710 to the FSDO and they'll issue you an 'SIC type' on the spot. The company is doing you no favors here, essentially you're paying for your 135 training. I can't imagine what sort of other contracts and monetary obligations you'll have to this company in the future as you start attending sim recurrents/upgrades etc...
