Spirits 4000TT min hours
09-27-2012, 09:44 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Paok
Why do these LCC have such high mins and places like FedEx, United, etc... are so much lower. Seems backwards.
10-03-2012, 08:46 AM
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Another factor with Virgin and Spirit could have to do with the size and future growth of the company. Both companies are looking to double in size if not more over the next five years. That means that if all goes as planned you could upgrade at either of these airlines relatively quickle (less than five years) whereas at a major like United or Delta you are looking at a minimum of ten years if not more.
All that being said, if Virgin or Spirit hire you today with 1500 hrs and you upgrade in say three years, that would put someone with less than 5000 hours in command of an airbus. If they require 4000 hours to start and you upgrade in a couple of years, you will be far more likely to have over 5000 hrs when you upgrade. This is not a consideration at larger companies with longer upgrade times.
All that being said, if Virgin or Spirit hire you today with 1500 hrs and you upgrade in say three years, that would put someone with less than 5000 hours in command of an airbus. If they require 4000 hours to start and you upgrade in a couple of years, you will be far more likely to have over 5000 hrs when you upgrade. This is not a consideration at larger companies with longer upgrade times.
10-04-2012, 06:01 AM
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"All that being said, if Virgin or Spirit hire you today with 1500 hrs and you upgrade in say three years, that would put someone with less than 5000 hours in command of an airbus."
****SPOILER: NOT INTENDED TO REIGNITE THE MILITARY/CIVILIAN ISSUE
It depends on who the company wants to recruit.
A typical 4,000 hr RJ guy is going to be in his mid-late 20s with a long career ahead of him who has come up through the CFI pipe.
The late 20s military guy will usually have somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,000 with 800-1200 TPIC in his weapons system. If the guy did a tour in the training command, his PIC will be higher. His hours are nowhere near the hours of the commercial guy, but his experiences are definitely worthwhile for an HR department to consider.
The typical 4,000 hr military guy will be a 15-20 yr veteran running about 35-40 something years old that usually has multiple deployments and line instructor /examiner time/chief pilot.
Seems more a rule that HR uses to cull the herd a bit.
5000 hrs to be in command of an Airbus? So? I'd be willing to bet that there are people in the Presidential Airlift Group that have less than 5,000 total time----yes, the President. There are many C-17/C-5/C-130 bubbas in command of missions downrange with less than 2,000 hrs total time. Air refueling (airdrop for the C-17/C-130), etc. They are doing it well. The majors historically have accomodated the difference in times based on community.
Perhaps Spirit has another reason for the difference. Given the civilian pilots get time faster, they would generally be younger for a given hourly requirement. Does HR at Spirit recruit certain age demorgraphics (even though they won't say that)? By putting a hard 5,000 hr requirement out there, you eliminate mid-career military guys but ensure a steady flow of younger guys from commuters with the time and a long career ahead of them.
Who knows?---it takes all kinds.
****SPOILER: NOT INTENDED TO REIGNITE THE MILITARY/CIVILIAN ISSUE
****SPOILER: NOT INTENDED TO REIGNITE THE MILITARY/CIVILIAN ISSUE
It depends on who the company wants to recruit.
A typical 4,000 hr RJ guy is going to be in his mid-late 20s with a long career ahead of him who has come up through the CFI pipe.
The late 20s military guy will usually have somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,000 with 800-1200 TPIC in his weapons system. If the guy did a tour in the training command, his PIC will be higher. His hours are nowhere near the hours of the commercial guy, but his experiences are definitely worthwhile for an HR department to consider.
The typical 4,000 hr military guy will be a 15-20 yr veteran running about 35-40 something years old that usually has multiple deployments and line instructor /examiner time/chief pilot.
Seems more a rule that HR uses to cull the herd a bit.
5000 hrs to be in command of an Airbus? So? I'd be willing to bet that there are people in the Presidential Airlift Group that have less than 5,000 total time----yes, the President. There are many C-17/C-5/C-130 bubbas in command of missions downrange with less than 2,000 hrs total time. Air refueling (airdrop for the C-17/C-130), etc. They are doing it well. The majors historically have accomodated the difference in times based on community.
Perhaps Spirit has another reason for the difference. Given the civilian pilots get time faster, they would generally be younger for a given hourly requirement. Does HR at Spirit recruit certain age demorgraphics (even though they won't say that)? By putting a hard 5,000 hr requirement out there, you eliminate mid-career military guys but ensure a steady flow of younger guys from commuters with the time and a long career ahead of them.
Who knows?---it takes all kinds.
****SPOILER: NOT INTENDED TO REIGNITE THE MILITARY/CIVILIAN ISSUE
10-04-2012, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by hvydvr
"All that being said, if Virgin or Spirit hire you today with 1500 hrs and you upgrade in say three years, that would put someone with less than 5000 hours in command of an airbus."
****SPOILER: NOT INTENDED TO REIGNITE THE MILITARY/CIVILIAN ISSUE
It depends on who the company wants to recruit.
A typical 4,000 hr RJ guy is going to be in his mid-late 20s with a long career ahead of him who has come up through the CFI pipe.
The late 20s military guy will usually have somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,000 with 800-1200 TPIC in his weapons system. If the guy did a tour in the training command, his PIC will be higher. His hours are nowhere near the hours of the commercial guy, but his experiences are definitely worthwhile for an HR department to consider.
The typical 4,000 hr military guy will be a 15-20 yr veteran running about 35-40 something years old that usually has multiple deployments and line instructor /examiner time/chief pilot.
Seems more a rule that HR uses to cull the herd a bit.
5000 hrs to be in command of an Airbus? So? I'd be willing to bet that there are people in the Presidential Airlift Group that have less than 5,000 total time----yes, the President. There are many C-17/C-5/C-130 bubbas in command of missions downrange with less than 2,000 hrs total time. Air refueling (airdrop for the C-17/C-130), etc. They are doing it well. The majors historically have accomodated the difference in times based on community.
Perhaps Spirit has another reason for the difference. Given the civilian pilots get time faster, they would generally be younger for a given hourly requirement. Does HR at Spirit recruit certain age demorgraphics (even though they won't say that)? By putting a hard 5,000 hr requirement out there, you eliminate mid-career military guys but ensure a steady flow of younger guys from commuters with the time and a long career ahead of them.
Who knows?---it takes all kinds.
****SPOILER: NOT INTENDED TO REIGNITE THE MILITARY/CIVILIAN ISSUE
****SPOILER: NOT INTENDED TO REIGNITE THE MILITARY/CIVILIAN ISSUE
It depends on who the company wants to recruit.
A typical 4,000 hr RJ guy is going to be in his mid-late 20s with a long career ahead of him who has come up through the CFI pipe.
The late 20s military guy will usually have somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,000 with 800-1200 TPIC in his weapons system. If the guy did a tour in the training command, his PIC will be higher. His hours are nowhere near the hours of the commercial guy, but his experiences are definitely worthwhile for an HR department to consider.
The typical 4,000 hr military guy will be a 15-20 yr veteran running about 35-40 something years old that usually has multiple deployments and line instructor /examiner time/chief pilot.
Seems more a rule that HR uses to cull the herd a bit.
5000 hrs to be in command of an Airbus? So? I'd be willing to bet that there are people in the Presidential Airlift Group that have less than 5,000 total time----yes, the President. There are many C-17/C-5/C-130 bubbas in command of missions downrange with less than 2,000 hrs total time. Air refueling (airdrop for the C-17/C-130), etc. They are doing it well. The majors historically have accomodated the difference in times based on community.
Perhaps Spirit has another reason for the difference. Given the civilian pilots get time faster, they would generally be younger for a given hourly requirement. Does HR at Spirit recruit certain age demorgraphics (even though they won't say that)? By putting a hard 5,000 hr requirement out there, you eliminate mid-career military guys but ensure a steady flow of younger guys from commuters with the time and a long career ahead of them.
Who knows?---it takes all kinds.
****SPOILER: NOT INTENDED TO REIGNITE THE MILITARY/CIVILIAN ISSUE
So, that'll debunk any 'Spirit is looking for the young, 20-somethings' to fill the ranks.
YMMV.....
10-04-2012, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by drummerguy
All that being said, if Virgin or Spirit hire you today with 1500 hrs and you upgrade in say three years, that would put someone with less than 5000 hours in command of an airbus.
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