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PositiveRateGUp 03-07-2014 05:21 PM

Atlas Air Cargo New Hires
 
What is Atlas Air looking for?

If you don't mind sharing, can you list your experience?

Total Time?
PIC Time?
Education?
Former experience (Regional, ACMI, MIL, Foreign Wide Body, etc...)
Age?

I know there is already a thread out there, but I would like to start off fresh.

I just turn 30 yrs old and I'm from the Houston area this would be an ideal place to work. I recently upgraded 6 months ago and I'm logging valuable TPIC time and would like to get my resume out to Atlas and attend a few of their job fairs in the future.

Any advise from those in the know would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance.

WARich 03-07-2014 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PositiveRateGUp (Post 1597725)
What is Atlas Air looking for?

If you don't mind sharing, can you list your experience?

Total Time?
PIC Time?
Education?
Former experience (Regional, ACMI, MIL, Foreign Wide Body, etc...)
Age?

I know there is already a thread out there, but I would like to start off fresh.

I just turn 30 yrs old and I'm from the Houston area this would be an ideal place to work. I recently upgraded 6 months ago and I'm logging valuable TPIC time and would like to get my resume out to Atlas and attend a few of their job fairs in the future.

Any advise from those in the know would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance.




Go see the Atlas thread.........

PositiveRateGUp 03-07-2014 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1597746)
Go see the Atlas thread.........


810 pages of mostly outdated info dating back to 2010 taking about various things not related to what I'm asking. I'll respectfully pass as I've already read through a lot of it. I need to know what I need to work towards to be competitive.

PositiveRateGUp 03-07-2014 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PositiveRateGUp (Post 1597750)
810 pages of mostly outdated info dating back to 2010 taking about various things not related to what I'm asking. I'll respectfully pass as I've already read through a lot of it. I need to know what I need to work towards to be competitive.

Correction to my spelling ...talking*

BlueHenFR8Dawg 03-07-2014 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PositiveRateGUp (Post 1597725)
What is Atlas Air looking for?

If you don't mind sharing, can you list your experience?

Total Time?
PIC Time?
Education?
Former experience (Regional, ACMI, MIL, Foreign Wide Body, etc...)
Age?

I know there is already a thread out there, but I would like to start off fresh.

I just turn 30 yrs old and I'm from the Houston area this would be an ideal place to work. I recently upgraded 6 months ago and I'm logging valuable TPIC time and would like to get my resume out to Atlas and attend a few of their job fairs in the future.

Any advise from those in the know would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance.

Go to Delta.. Atlas isn't hiring, or are they? My advice for a smart, young CA like yourself, is maybe start with the LAST page of the Atlas thread and start backwards till you find what you're looking for. Don't want to come off too harsh, but I'm nipping your questions in the bud, before the wolves get to you.. Good Luck

CandlerKid 03-07-2014 06:46 PM

Well, we hire anybody from 135 corporate guys to AF1 and U2 pilots. If you are over the minimums that's all that matters. Last few classes were heavy on the military and widebody ACMI pilots. In the past there have been all RJ classes. Like any airline HR is in charge, so asking a magic 8 ball would be as accurate as guessing what future classes will look like.

Sirecks 03-07-2014 07:02 PM

Currently two classes going through right now. Mix of military heavies, previous cargo, corporate fractional, and regional.

Seems like hour counts vary, but I don't know of anyone yet who only has the mins. Most are multiple thousands of hours TT. High PIC hour counts in there.

Advice would be to apply, keep applying, keep going to the job fairs, keep gaining hours, and don't stop. So many factors go into a person getting hired. The stars need to align properly with the needs of the company, who you are competing with, how well the company is doing, and so on. Not being hired in the first round you applied to doesn't mean the next time will be the same answer, or the next time. Be persistent and keep flying! BTW, Houston is a VERY senior base for Atlas. You won't be able to hold it as a new guy.

744driver 03-08-2014 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PositiveRateGUp (Post 1597750)
810 pages of mostly outdated info dating back to 2010 taking about various things not related to what I'm asking. I'll respectfully pass as I've already read through a lot of it. I need to know what I need to work towards to be competitive.

I would respectfully disagree with you that it is outdated...just ask the recent poolies, and new-hires. It is certainly a daunting task to go through that many pages, but if you pick up a few morsels that are not to be found elsewhere, it may be well worth the effort...Good luck.

MoarAlpha 03-08-2014 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PositiveRateGUp (Post 1597750)
810 pages of mostly outdated info dating back to 2010 taking about various things not related to what I'm asking. I'll respectfully pass as I've already read through a lot of it. I need to know what I need to work towards to be competitive.

You obviously haven't read the most recent pages. This thread is insulting to those actually interested in Atlas. Read the long thread. It really does have every bit of info you could ever need.

rv8builder 03-09-2014 05:10 AM

Who is Atlas Air Cargo?

Be sure not to put that on the "objectives" line of your resume.

M696 03-09-2014 07:14 AM

Is it so hard to post new hire qualifications without getting your panties in a bunch over your beloved "long" thread? No need to get upset because someone started a new Atlas thread.

744driver 03-09-2014 09:12 AM

It's not about any right of passage that has been mentioned in the past...

For me, it is simpler than that...one serves my purposes, one serves the applicant.

For me, I don't want to repost all the important stuff...

For you, the applicant, if you can get even a small morsel or three by reading the entire, long thread, then you have just spent your time wisely...

Atlas (and others like it) is likely a different beast than you are used to (unless you come from the ACMI world)...so, I'm hoping to steer you to the long thread.

But it is of course, up to you...I think it may be worth your time...you make the choice.

Good luck.

JerrySpringer 03-09-2014 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M696 (Post 1598598)
Is it so hard to post new hire qualifications without getting your panties in a bunch over your beloved "long" thread? No need to get upset because someone started a new Atlas thread.

Agreed.

I'd say the other thread has evolved from purely hiring info into other important discussions as that group has moved along.

Maybe one or several of the 24 in class now can summarize their very recent experience in the hiring process.

Good luck!

Just remember, because that's the way it was doesn't mean that's what's best now!

NightIP 03-09-2014 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerrySpringer (Post 1598694)
Agreed.

I'd say the other thread has evolved from purely hiring info into other important discussions as that group has moved along.

Maybe one or several of the 24 in class now can summarize their very recent experience in the hiring process.

Good luck!

Just remember, because that's the way it was doesn't mean that's what's best now!

+1.

Or at least just read through pertinent sections of the thread with the help of the guide someone posted for it with all the page numbers. No reason to waste time reading 800+ pages.

M696 03-09-2014 12:33 PM

The "long" thread is fantastic, a wealth of information. I have been following it and Atlas for quite some time but I do see the value in a separate thread for a particular topic.

DC8DRIVER 03-09-2014 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M696 (Post 1598598)
Is it so hard to post new hire qualifications without getting your panties in a bunch over your beloved "long" thread? No need to get upset because someone started a new Atlas thread.

... So those of us who have spent hours and hours researching and posting valuable information and personal experiences on the "beloved long thread" would have to reedit and repost all of our work on a new thread whenever someone who is too impatient or lazy to take the time to do their homework demands instant gratification.

Gotcha. I'll get right on it.

Maybe the new guys will take up the torch and fill this urgent need. It would be a shame, however, to lose out on all of the odds and ends of information regarding schedules, fleet plans, operations, history, gateway travel, pay, vacation, junior/senior crew bases, customers, new flying, lost flying, training pay, first year pay, military leave, etc. etc. etc. that has already been posted and made available to those who are looking for the "Atlas Gouge". Questions about these subjects will inevitably come up and have to be repeated in every new thread that surfaces with an Atlas inquiry.

I will say this here, however; My personal experience at Atlas has shown me that during the interview, hiring and initial new hire training process, Atlas seems to place a huge amount of responsibility on the incoming pilot to research and know their information whether it be company history, operations, facts and figures for the interview, or systems and procedures during initial ground school. If a prospective Atlas employee needs to be lead by the hand through the process, if they are not willing to do the work and put in the time required, they will likely not succeed.

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WARich 03-09-2014 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER (Post 1598795)
... So those of us who have spent hours and hours researching and posting valuable information and personal experiences on the "beloved long thread" would have to reedit and repost all of our work on a new thread whenever someone who is too impatient or lazy to take the time to do their homework demands instant gratification.

Gotcha. I'll get right on it.

Maybe the new guys will take up the torch and fill this urgent need. It would be a shame, however, to lose out on all of the odds and ends of information regarding schedules, fleet plans, operations, history, gateway travel, pay, vacation, junior/senior crew bases, customers, new flying, lost flying, training pay, first year pay, military leave, etc. etc. etc. that has already been posted and made available to those who are looking for the "Atlas Gouge". Questions about these subjects will inevitably come up and have to be repeated in every new thread that surfaces with an Atlas inquiry.

I will say this here, however; My personal experience at Atlas has shown me that during the interview, hiring and initial new hire training process, Atlas seems to place a huge amount of responsibility on the incoming pilot to research and know their information whether it be company history, operations, facts and figures for the interview, or systems and procedures during initial ground school. If a prospective Atlas employee needs to be lead by the hand through the process, if they are not willing to do the work and put in the time required, they will likely not succeed.

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Agreed. I'm not at Atlas, though I hope to be some day. I've read the thread, updated over and over again. Attended a job fair for the purpose of talking to Atlas. In my opinion, wanting to take a "short cut" isn't the best way to attack it. Perhaps it's the entitlement generation that is calling for a new thread. Just too difficult to spend a day reading the old thread. Doesn't really surprise me though, most under 40 seem to think they don't have to put in the hard work to accomplish something they really want. But once again, this is just my opinion. You know, if you want something really bad, you should put forth whatever effort is required. I've learned this throughout my life and it works. Nothing worth while is ever achieved easily. Just saying. :D

M696 03-09-2014 01:45 PM

It's not about entitlement or laziness...for information on Atlas the long thread is fantastic, I believe the intent of this thread was for new hires to post their qualifications...which has had zero posts on topic, just a bunch of irrelevant banter about people not reading the other thread.

thesandbox 03-09-2014 04:13 PM

it's okay....most talk about the contract the same way

Farmlover 03-09-2014 04:30 PM

Wow you guys are really nice. no one can help the poor guy out? Its a simple question. This site gets worse and worse.

BlueHenFR8Dawg 03-09-2014 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M696 (Post 1598834)
It's not about entitlement or laziness...for information on Atlas the long thread is fantastic, I believe the intent of this thread was for new hires to post their qualifications...which has had zero posts on topic, just a bunch of irrelevant banter about people not reading the other thread.

...and I'm not trying to make this a "stoning." If someone spent 15mins, an hour max, they'd get that answer from the long thread from starting with the newest thread and going backwards.

The answer the question has been from minimum time(military) to 10k ACMI-Heavy guys with plenty of RJ PIC and FO's. THERE'S NO RHYME OR REASON GUYS.. it's been stated several dozen times. Sorry, the thread just reminded of the new "handout-generation." It's disrespectful to those who spent the time.. Off soap box

NightIP 03-09-2014 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueHenFR8Dawg (Post 1598936)
Sorry, the thread just reminded of the new "handout-generation." It's disrespectful to those who spent the time.. Off soap box

It's a web forum. The entire point of the thing is to ask questions and discuss. Not everyone has hours to read through an 800+ page beast of a thread with a large amount of outdated information. Anyone doing that is simply wasting his or her time, and trust me, I've written quite a few posts in the megathread.

So, for those who want a rundown, here ya go:

-The company hires from all walks of life.
-The online test is 100 questions timed over 60 minutes. It's hard.
-It may take several weeks to hear back after the interview.
-The pool is competitive (highest scores get into class first).
-Training pay is $1600/month plus per diem.
-The company now provides travel to MIA for new-hires.
-Expect to be in Miami for roughly 2.5 months.
-Expect to be on training pay for 4 months (training pay extends through IOE).
-Probation is 12 months from your groundschool start date.
-Schedules change a lot.
-You owe the company 17 days of work each month.
-Reserve line holders can be extended an additional 3 days involuntarily.
-Regular/Hybrid/VTO line holders can only be extended to protect the operation.
-CRT (Calculated Rig Time) starts at report time on the first day, and extends until you're released into R1 (residence reserve), days off, or training.
-CRT is paid at a ratio of 4.95:1, which equates to 4.85 hours of pay for every 24 hour period.
-Pay protection does not exist here. You're paid what you work. Getting sent home early off your trip to sit R1 results in pay loss compared to your awarded trip value. Hopefully will change in the next CBA.
-We are currently DOS+2 on pay rates.
-Training is credited at 3.65 hours per day. CRT does not apply.
-Vacation is worth 3.65 hours per day, and will be paid out if it falls on days off.

That should get everyone started...

JerrySpringer 03-09-2014 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 1598958)
It's a web forum. The entire point of the thing is to ask questions and discuss. Not everyone has hours to read through an 800+ page beast of a thread with a large amount of outdated information....
That should get everyone started...

Nice post.

NightIP 03-09-2014 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerrySpringer (Post 1598961)
Nice post.

Thanks, and to add: I had a senior guy here use the "handout generation" argument to tell me that I was entitled for wanting improvements in 2016. Can't make this stuff up. Hence, why I twitch anytime someone at Atlas uses that term.

WARich 03-09-2014 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 1598958)
It's a web forum. The entire point of the thing is to ask questions and discuss. Not everyone has hours to read through an 800+ page beast of a thread with a large amount of outdated information. Anyone doing that is simply wasting his or her time, and trust me, I've written quite a few posts in the megathread.

So, for those who want a rundown, here ya go:

-The company hires from all walks of life.
-The online test is 100 questions timed over 60 minutes. It's hard.
-It may take several weeks to hear back after the interview.
-The pool is competitive (highest scores get into class first).
-Training pay is $1600/month plus per diem.
-The company now provides travel to MIA for new-hires.
-Expect to be in Miami for roughly 2.5 months.
-Expect to be on training pay for 4 months (training pay extends through IOE).
-Probation is 12 months from your groundschool start date.
-Schedules change a lot.
-You owe the company 17 days of work each month.
-Reserve line holders can be extended an additional 3 days involuntarily.
-Regular/Hybrid/VTO line holders can only be extended to protect the operation.
-CRT (Calculated Rig Time) starts at report time on the first day, and extends until you're released into R1 (residence reserve), days off, or training.
-CRT is paid at a ratio of 4.95:1, which equates to 4.85 hours of pay for every 24 hour period.
-Pay protection does not exist here. You're paid what you work. Getting sent home early off your trip to sit R1 results in pay loss compared to your awarded trip value. Hopefully will change in the next CBA.
-We are currently DOS+2 on pay rates.
-Training is credited at 3.65 hours per day. CRT does not apply.
-Vacation is worth 3.65 hours per day, and will be paid out if it falls on days off.

That should get everyone started...

Thanks for the update. Now back to the "Atlas" thread. And yes, I posted a message early on and was given the "thread" *itch slap. But you know, there really is something to that I've learned. I don't know, it's almost a right of passage to have read the old thread. Just saying.

NightIP 03-09-2014 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1598996)
Thanks for the update. Now back to the "Atlas" thread. And yes, I posted a message early on and was given the "thread" *itch slap. But you know, there really is something to that I've learned. I don't know, it's almost a right of passage to have read the old thread. Just saying.

Nah, it's not a rite of passage. There's nothing about working here that's any different than any other ACMI job. It's overall a good place to work; just make sure you and your family can handle 17 day trips, you budget to min guarantee each month, and that you read and fly the CBA when you get onboard. Good luck.

WARich 03-09-2014 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 1599034)
Nah, it's not a rite of passage. There's nothing about working here that's any different than any other ACMI job. It's overall a good place to work; just make sure you and your family can handle 17 day trips, you budget to min guarantee each month, and that you read and fly the CBA when you get onboard. Good luck.

Dude you have no idea. I would love this. This is like the C-17 missions I flew but from the civilian stand point. No TACC, great places to stay, better crew rest requirements, a chance to unpack between trips. Wow....I would love it. :D

NightIP 03-09-2014 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WARich (Post 1599053)
Dude you have no idea. I would love this. This is like the C-17 missions I flew but from the civilian stand point. No TACC, great places to stay, better crew rest requirements, a chance to unpack between trips. Wow....I would love it. :D

Good deal...hope you get onboard.

Just to add:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/47013376.jpg

:D

WARich 03-09-2014 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 1599057)
Good deal...hope you get onboard.

Just to add:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/47013376.jpg

:D


LOL. Sorry, a bad habit. How about if I say trips? Spoke with Amy at the WIA conference, everything I knew about Atlas was reinforced.....I'm hoping for my chance.

recce hellcat 03-09-2014 10:21 PM

nightip, didn't know you were such a cat hater!?!?!

still, great poster...just the kind to start a whirl of caca on social media(s) from the peta lovers.....well done!!!!

nice synopsis of our 'cba' as well.....

Maxcackel 03-10-2014 03:08 AM

And unfortunately a lot of kittens are killed at Atlas each day. :(

danam404 03-10-2014 05:00 AM

This thread is getting a bit long in the tooth, maybe someone should start a new one?

Fillmore Slim 03-10-2014 05:57 AM

WARich......just a note of caution. Many of us AMC guys came to Atlas thinking it was a better flying life than the military. Most of us hired in the recent wave have realized it's not. Your schedule, believe it or not in the military is better than at Atlas. You will be gone more, make less and be begging for TACC back. Your 1Lt squadron scheduler does a better job then the entire scheduling shop at Atlas. Per Diem is on average 50% less then government rates. Most domestic hotels are on par with base hotels, and your dining options around those hotels are similar to on base. No more "less than 24 so we don't need a non-A." Overseas they are, on average, better. Crew rest requirements are worse. For example, you will operate HSV-STN-LUX, then take a 4-8 hour van ride from LUX to somewhere in Germany, and that's the norm. You will be lucky if you get 12 hours of crew rest between flights. Usually it's 10 and in some cases only 8. There is a giant disconnect between someone you meet at HR and those out flying the line. Please understand I'm not trying to discourage you, just be ready to accept that the grass may not be greener over here. This is a job, and that's about it. Every decision the company makes about your life/schedule/crew rest/security, safety and travel is driven by cost. I have had some good trips here, and flown with some incredible pilots. I would put the collective skill set of this pilot group against anyone's in the industry. Hopefully, when the next contract opens up, it will get better. If you have any other specific questions concerning Atlas vs Mil, please pm me.

727574drvr 03-10-2014 07:57 AM

Sounds like a blast, sign me up!!!! I've been doing ACMI Day and Night PAX and Cargo for over 25 years. This sounds like a walk in the park. :)

captainv 03-10-2014 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fillmore Slim (Post 1599186)
Crew rest requirements are worse. For example, you will operate HSV-STN-LUX, then take a 4-8 hour van ride from LUX to somewhere in Germany, and that's the norm. You will be lucky if you get 12 hours of crew rest between flights. Usually it's 10 and in some cases only 8.

That's on the Gucci jet. On the Light Twin, it's not unusual to spend a week bouncing around on company metal just to get to my first operating leg, when doing the overseas stuff. I've flown 28.5 hours so far this year. I typically have eons of rest between flights. YMMV.

Oh, and they're "patterns" not trips! :D

recce hellcat 03-11-2014 04:15 PM

heard from a friend, who is in the most recent new hire class (b747), that atlas might have a b767 new hire class within the next couple of months. this could be in anticipation of more senior b767 first officers bidding out of that aircraft when their training commitment is complete. (that might be giving too much credit to some in the training department though.) keep your fingers crossed applicants and hired poolies.

captainv 03-11-2014 05:09 PM

Plausible. 767 seat locks begin to expire in September. We retire 38 pilots this year, and normally lose 15 to other airlines, which should increase. Only 24 in the schoolhouse so far this year.

NightIP 03-13-2014 01:05 PM

Bump because it annoys 744driver. ;)

MoarAlpha 03-13-2014 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainv (Post 1600323)
Plausible. 767 seat locks begin to expire in September. We retire 38 pilots this year, and normally lose 15 to other airlines, which should increase. Only 24 in the schoolhouse so far this year.

I suppose it's safe to assume attrition will be higher in 2014 due to more mainline hiring. Would you agree? Maybe one or two more classes this year at Atlas would be great IMHO.

CandlerKid 03-13-2014 01:33 PM

With retirements, early outs, and some attrition I'd be shocked if we don't need at least 75-100 new hires total for the year. Retirements are around 40ish I believe?


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