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amcnd 10-04-2019 11:40 AM

If AS goes back to a all 737 fleet. When a pilot retires a FO Upgrades... At UA when a 777 Captain retires.. that causes multiple people moving up to different seats.... and the numbers are staggering at the big 3 vs AS... so unless you live in the PNW. Then there are better “numerical” options..

Excargodog 10-04-2019 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2898337)
If AS goes back to a all 737 fleet. When a pilot retires a FO Upgrades... At UA when a 777 Captain retires.. that causes multiple people moving up to different seats.... and the numbers are staggering at the big 3 vs AS...

Indeed. But only one new hire despite the domino effect on existing people already aboard.

Excargodog 10-04-2019 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by TyWebb (Post 2898330)
Also, that's just retirement numbers. I have a few guys in a crash pad that are at AK that "said" they would jump ship to any of the big 3 plus Fedex/UPS. So as the retirement numbers increase for the larger pilot groups, scalping from the junior FOs of smaller airlines will probably be standard practice.

There. Fix’d it for you. An issue the regionals largely resolved with hiring and continuation bonuses by the way.

TyWebb 10-04-2019 08:19 PM

Yes for sure, the majority will be junior FO's for obvious reasons but that will still provide movement across the spectrum. FWIW the regionals didn't fix it, regulation did.

MedSledDriver 10-06-2019 12:10 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2898277)
And it would be prudent to anticipate for career planning purposes that at least half of those slots will be filled with military or other OTS hires, not flow from Horizon. Barring growth at Alaska, it would be a slow slog. But even a 2% annual growth would increase pilots by 40 new hires a year.

This was similar to my line of thinking. For where I’m at in time flown at QX and seniority it would take me about 6 years to flow up to AS. I have heard from an AS pilot that the air group is hemorrhaging ex Virgin airbus pilots, which is explains why they’re hiring so much into the bus. Like others have mentioned there will be more movement for various other reasons. I just hope that an economic downturn, when it does inevitably happen, doesn’t slow hiring down or start driving hiring requirements up to the pretentious levels that they have been.

HisDudenes5 10-23-2019 08:03 PM

Anyone know the lowest seniority of the last round of pathways class dates?

Jetlikespeed 10-23-2019 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by HisDudenes5 (Post 2911571)
Anyone know the lowest seniority of the last round of pathways class dates?

About 4.5 but these are the guys who where hired prior to the 2017 melt down and subsequently the huge hiring wave after

snackysmores 10-24-2019 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by HisDudenes5 (Post 2911571)
Anyone know the lowest seniority of the last round of pathways class dates?

Feb and March 2015

DashAviator 10-24-2019 11:21 AM

Low PIC time is still holding up a lot of the guys and gals in the Pathways program.

Dashdrvr 10-25-2019 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by snackysmores (Post 2841281)
7 pathways pilots going to the July class. About 15 pilots were "ineligible due to lack of PIC"

There is pretty much no one left who has 1000 PIC, so unless that policy changes no one is going for a while.

Working as planned. Limit number of candidates from QX to AS with 1000 hour rule, blame it on the industry. Considering 75% of the pilots are less than 5 years seniority, no need to get any more pilots to AS. All high cost senior pilots that are going are gone. That just leaves the the less tenured pilots(low cost) still here. Why would AAG want to change that. I know everybody thinks this pathways is about job opportunities and doing right by Horizon pilots. Its nothing more than moving high cost pilots at QX to a lower pay scale at AS. If pilots stay at Horizon and pilots start getting seniority that gate will be modulated again. Its all about the money.


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