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Horizon Dash 8 lands long ?
Does anyone know anything about a Horizon Air running off the runway in KBLI earlier this week ? :confused:
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She said it was the last flight of the day and all the passengers were headed to Bellingham so no one missed a connecting flight.
Thank heaven!:rolleyes: |
Investigation is ongoing.
The BLI runway is one of those fun ones that rises and falls away at just the wrong places. It isn't sphincter clinching short in the Megawhacker, but we have to be mindful of keeping floating to a minimum. |
Report I heard...they were wayyyy fast and landed very long...BLI is only 6700' long, so you don't really want to mess around there...
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LEX isn't much longer...anybody check out the Saudi 747 coming in there not long ago? Betcha they didn't float :D
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^^ Carrier landing for sure.
I know someone who had a sister on that flight. She said the pilot came on after they stopped, and he said something like, "All the guages look right, so I don't think we are on fire, or anything". Great. |
Originally Posted by Shaun
(Post 665745)
^^ Carrier landing for sure.
I know someone who had a sister on that flight. She said the pilot came on after they stopped, and he said something like, "All the guages look right, so I don't think we are on fire, or anything". Great. I would not take a passengers word on this. I had an incident a few years ago with faulty boots on a Navajo and really bad icing. Everyone was quick to judgement and played arm-chair quarterback with my decisions for some time. It gave me a new appreciation for 'waiting until the investigation is done' before condemning another pilot's decisions or actions. |
Originally Posted by SurferLucas
(Post 665703)
Report I heard...they were wayyyy fast and landed very long...BLI is only 6700' long, so you don't really want to mess around there...
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No humor intended...but when you have skid marks the last 1000' and then you go appox 100' into the mud...that means you weren't on speed, and that you didn't touch down in the touchdown zone.
I've spent a good amount of time in the QX crew room...have alot of friends that work there...maybe even one of them was flying this flight...that, I'll never tell. |
I agree they were fast. I was referring to the "only 6700' long" remark.
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It is not length that matters. It is width.
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Originally Posted by navigatro
(Post 666006)
It is not length that matters. It is width.
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Originally Posted by xtreme
(Post 665637)
Stupid regional pilots...:p
Local News | No injuries in Horizon flight that rolled off Bellingham runway Sunday night | Seattle Times Newspaper |
Originally Posted by 152SIC
(Post 666005)
I agree they were fast. I was referring to the "only 6700' long" remark.
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Originally Posted by navigatro
(Post 666006)
It is not length that matters. It is width.
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Originally Posted by SurferLucas
(Post 665703)
Report I heard...they were wayyyy fast and landed very long...BLI is only 6700' long, so you don't really want to mess around there...
Used to fly the A320 into SNA, runway there is 5701', plus the dang arrival and mountains made it that much more interesting.... |
Originally Posted by SurferLucas
(Post 665703)
Report I heard...they were wayyyy fast and landed very long...BLI is only 6700' long, so you don't really want to mess around there...
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Of course it can...assuming you're on speed, with minimum float, moderate braking...etc.
I'm not saying by any means that it's a "Special" airport like SNA is, hell, Horizon's had a Q4 go off the end of the runway in SEA and GEG because they weren't paying attention in reduced vis ops. |
Originally Posted by Squawk_5543
(Post 666207)
I don't fly a Dash 8 but I'm pretty sure they can land and exit the runway in about a third of that.....
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Originally Posted by Splanky
(Post 665764)
Everyone was quick to judgement and played arm-chair quarterback with my decisions for some time. It gave me a new appreciation for 'waiting until the investigation is done' before condemning another pilot's decisions or actions.
THANK YOU!! |
Originally Posted by Squawk_5543
(Post 666207)
I don't fly a Dash 8 but I'm pretty sure they can land and exit the runway in about a third of that.....
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I like 32 into Boston better...
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Runway 21 in hilton head
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Ase with 7000' of pavement and just under 8000' elevation.
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Originally Posted by flynwmn
(Post 666258)
Runway 21 in hilton head
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Thats nothing... Try 76S, Oak Harbor, Washington..
Runway 7/25 Dimensions: 3265 x 25 ft. / 995 x 8 m Surface: asphalt, in poor condition RWY 07/25 SEVERELY CRACKED, SPALLING IN SOME AREAS. Weight bearing capacity: Single wheel: 5.0 Runway edge lights: non-standard NSTD LIRL ONLY W 2604 FT FM RY LIGHTS. RUNWAY 7 RUNWAY 25 Latitude: 48-15.092622N 48-15.090225N Longitude: 122-40.822432W 122-40.018443W Elevation: 141.0 ft. 193.3 ft. Gradient: 1.6% UP 1.7% Traffic pattern: right left Runway heading: 071 magnetic, 090 true 251 magnetic, 270 true Displaced threshold: 507 ft. no Markings: numbers only, in fair condition numbers only, in fair condition Visual slope indicator: 2-light PAPI on left (4.50 degrees glide path) 2-light PAPI on left (4.50 degrees glide path) Touchdown point: yes, no lights no, no lights Obstructions: 5 ft. fence, 235 ft. from runway, 7:1 slope to clear ROAD AT 32 FT; 8 FT BRUSH & FENCE AT 65 FT. 60 ft. tree, 700 ft. from runway, 100 ft. left of centerline, 8:1 slope to clear 5' FENCE 29' FM THR 30L & R. GPS approach to Mins is a real nail biter! |
Hilton Head Island, with a almost fully loaded ATR 72 was always real fun, especially as you got the windshear as you came below the tree line, I sure do miss flying there! Thanks DL!!!
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Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate
(Post 666408)
Thats nothing... Try 76S, Oak Harbor, Washington..
Runway 7/25 Dimensions: 3265 x 25 ft. / 995 x 8 m Surface: asphalt, in poor condition RWY 07/25 SEVERELY CRACKED, SPALLING IN SOME AREAS. Weight bearing capacity: Single wheel: 5.0 Runway edge lights: non-standard NSTD LIRL ONLY W 2604 FT FM RY LIGHTS. RUNWAY 7 RUNWAY 25 Latitude: 48-15.092622N 48-15.090225N Longitude: 122-40.822432W 122-40.018443W Elevation: 141.0 ft. 193.3 ft. Gradient: 1.6% UP 1.7% Traffic pattern: right left Runway heading: 071 magnetic, 090 true 251 magnetic, 270 true Displaced threshold: 507 ft. no Markings: numbers only, in fair condition numbers only, in fair condition Visual slope indicator: 2-light PAPI on left (4.50 degrees glide path) 2-light PAPI on left (4.50 degrees glide path) Touchdown point: yes, no lights no, no lights Obstructions: 5 ft. fence, 235 ft. from runway, 7:1 slope to clear ROAD AT 32 FT; 8 FT BRUSH & FENCE AT 65 FT. 60 ft. tree, 700 ft. from runway, 100 ft. left of centerline, 8:1 slope to clear 5' FENCE 29' FM THR 30L & R. GPS approach to Mins is a real nail biter! I especially loved the RNAV 07 with a circle to 25 at your max crosswind limit at night during the winter...anyone have a clean pair of shorts? |
Just for kicks... Herron / New Cumberland West Virginia (7G1)
Wildest place I ever took a single engine into ! Runway 4/22 Dimensions: 2030 x 20 ft. / 619 x 6 m Surface: asphalt, in poor condition RY 04/22 HAS EXTENSIVE CRACKING, GRASSING GROWING FULL LENGTH, ASPH UNEVEN. Runway edge lights: non-standard RY 04/22 HAS LGTS ON SE SIDE ONLY. Runway edge markings: MARKINGS FADED. RUNWAY 4 RUNWAY 22 Traffic pattern: left left Markings: NSTD, in poor condition NSTD, in poor condition Obstructions: 40 ft. trees, 200 ft. from runway RY 04 HAS +30 FT TREE AT THLD 48 FT LEFT. 40 ft. trees, 200 ft. from runway, 90 ft. right of centerline RY 22 HAS +40 FT TREES 15 FT FM THLD 90 FT RIGHT; 4 FT FENCE LINE 0 FT FM THLD 100-125 FT LEFT. Additional Remarks - PUBLIC ROAD CROSSES CENTER OF AIRFIELD; DO NOT TAXI ON ROAD, WING WILL NOT CLEAR STOP SIGN ON RD. - FORMER RY 14/32 CLSD EXCP TAXIING & PARKING. - RY 04 & 22 ENDS NOT VISIBLE FM EACH END. TRAFFIC ON RD. CROSSING RY NOT VISIBLE FM RY 4 END. - RY 04/22 SLOPES UP FM E TO W, APRX 30 FT. - DEER ON AND INVOF ARPT. - ULTRALIGHT ACTIVITY. - 30 FT DROP OFF AT EACH RY END. |
Originally Posted by Splanky
(Post 665764)
And from my brother's best friend's cousin I heard . . .
I would not take a passengers word on this. I had an incident a few years ago with faulty boots on a Navajo and really bad icing. Everyone was quick to judgement and played arm-chair quarterback with my decisions for some time. It gave me a new appreciation for 'waiting until the investigation is done' before condemning another pilot's decisions or actions. I was just sharing a funny story that I heard about this flight, no judgment was going on. Perhaps you need to take things a little less seriously. |
The article says 76 pax onboard.... what seat config do they have up there?
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All but 2 of the Q4's at Horizon are 76 seat config...the only 2 that aren't came from China, 424 and 425QX.
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Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate
(Post 666408)
Thats nothing... Try 76S, Oak Harbor, Washington..!
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Originally Posted by Fishfreighter
(Post 667185)
That runway is a two lane road in a cow pasture.
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Originally Posted by sinsilvia666
(Post 666542)
Just for kicks... Herron / New Cumberland West Virginia (7G1)
Wildest place I ever took a single engine into ! Runway 4/22 Dimensions: 2030 x 20 ft. / 619 x 6 m Surface: asphalt, in poor condition RY 04/22 HAS EXTENSIVE CRACKING, GRASSING GROWING FULL LENGTH, ASPH UNEVEN. Runway edge lights: non-standard RY 04/22 HAS LGTS ON SE SIDE ONLY. Runway edge markings: MARKINGS FADED. RUNWAY 4 RUNWAY 22 Traffic pattern: left left Markings: NSTD, in poor condition NSTD, in poor condition Obstructions: 40 ft. trees, 200 ft. from runway RY 04 HAS +30 FT TREE AT THLD 48 FT LEFT. 40 ft. trees, 200 ft. from runway, 90 ft. right of centerline RY 22 HAS +40 FT TREES 15 FT FM THLD 90 FT RIGHT; 4 FT FENCE LINE 0 FT FM THLD 100-125 FT LEFT. Additional Remarks - PUBLIC ROAD CROSSES CENTER OF AIRFIELD; DO NOT TAXI ON ROAD, WING WILL NOT CLEAR STOP SIGN ON RD. - FORMER RY 14/32 CLSD EXCP TAXIING & PARKING. - RY 04 & 22 ENDS NOT VISIBLE FM EACH END. TRAFFIC ON RD. CROSSING RY NOT VISIBLE FM RY 4 END. - RY 04/22 SLOPES UP FM E TO W, APRX 30 FT. - DEER ON AND INVOF ARPT. - ULTRALIGHT ACTIVITY. - 30 FT DROP OFF AT EACH RY END. |
Heard the crew was on the second of back to back 11 hour days with several "breaks" intermixed throughout their day including a 2 hour break before their last flight at 11pm. It's interesting how a whole PILOT thread can go by and this has not been brought up once.
When will this massive elephant in the room finally break the whole house down? As for runways... Up until only a couple of years ago Alaska was flying 737-200s into 3900' Dutch Harbor Alaska. Got the chance to jumpseat it once.. wow. |
Originally Posted by LineGrinder400
(Post 667252)
Heard the crew was on the second of back to back 11 hour days with several "breaks" intermixed throughout their day including a 2 hour break before their last flight at 11pm. It's interesting how a whole PILOT thread can go by and this has not been brought up once.
When will this massive elephant in the room finally break the whole house down? As for runways... Up until only a couple of years ago Alaska was flying 737-200s into 3900' Dutch Harbor Alaska. Got the chance to jumpseat it once.. wow. |
From what I know...
Aircraft N417QX had no problems identified and all systems operating normally. Landed Runway 34 at BLI, Visual Approach backed up with RNAV 34 and calm winds/good visibiltiy. Pilot Flying had bugs still set for the takeoff out of Seattle. Pilot Monitoring had bugs set for the correct landing weight. Aircraft was flown roughly 25 kts over Vref on approach, as a result of not being reset from the take off previous. Touched down significantly past the touchdown zone. Aircraft could not be stopped with emergency breaking and full reverse. I do not know anything further at this time...that includes what the crew's trip was like. |
Originally Posted by SurferLucas
(Post 667015)
All but 2 of the Q4's at Horizon are 76 seat config...the only 2 that aren't came from China, 424 and 425QX.
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