Horizon Air Pilots Petition NMB
01-28-2010 | 07:10 PM
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01-28-2010 | 07:17 PM
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You never know. Horizon pilot managers have been known to troll these boards looking for victims and to spread their words of good cheer. Captain I flew with last bid even has accusations leveled against him from these wonderful people from information they baited off this board.
01-28-2010 | 07:35 PM
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You never know. Horizon pilot managers have been known to troll these boards looking for victims and to spread their words of good cheer. Captain I flew with last bid even has accusations leveled against him from these wonderful people from information they baited off this board.
01-28-2010 | 09:37 PM
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Horizon Air Pilots Petition NMB After Nearly Four Years of Contract Talks
Experienced Pilots Want Just Compensation and Fair Work Rules
WASHINGTON, Jan. 28 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The International Brotherhood of Teamsters petitioned the National Mediation Board (NMB) today for their assistance in concluding negotiations between Horizon Air pilots, Horizon and parent holding company Alaska Air Group.
The pilots have been engaged in direct negotiations since the company served a Section 6 notice on the Teamsters nearly four years ago.
"Four years of negotiations is more than enough time to reach an agreement that provides just compensation and fair work rules for the most experienced and talented pilots in the regional airline industry," said Teamsters Airline Division Director Capt. David Bourne.
"We are asking the NMB to help us reach an agreement that recognizes the high level of service and commitment these pilots provide," Bourne said.
Horizon Air captains average 17 years of experience with the carrier and their average age is 47. First officers average five years of experience with Horizon Air and their average age is 32. They fly aircraft that are on the leading edge of technology compared with other regional carriers. They are regularly qualified on that equipment during recurrent and proficiency evaluations mandated and closely monitored by the Federal Aviation Administration.
"While the Alaska Air Group enjoys record profits, it has adamantly refused to share even a modest portion of those profits with the professional pilots that provide dependable daily service to the customers of Horizon Air and its sister carrier, Alaska Airlines," Bourne said. "Instead, the carrier seeks concessions from its pilots, which devalues the flight deck experience and talent that allows the company to make its profits.
"The International Brotherhood of Teamsters is committed to helping the Horizon pilots achieve a contract that fully recognizes their contribution to their carrier's success. We will fully support the Horizon pilots as they negotiate for a just contract that recognizes their career expectations, respects the commitment of their families, and makes their passengers' travel experience the best possible."
The International Brotherhood of Teamsters was founded in 1903 and represents 1.4 million hardworking men and women in the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico.
Experienced Pilots Want Just Compensation and Fair Work Rules
WASHINGTON, Jan. 28 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The International Brotherhood of Teamsters petitioned the National Mediation Board (NMB) today for their assistance in concluding negotiations between Horizon Air pilots, Horizon and parent holding company Alaska Air Group.
The pilots have been engaged in direct negotiations since the company served a Section 6 notice on the Teamsters nearly four years ago.
"Four years of negotiations is more than enough time to reach an agreement that provides just compensation and fair work rules for the most experienced and talented pilots in the regional airline industry," said Teamsters Airline Division Director Capt. David Bourne.
"We are asking the NMB to help us reach an agreement that recognizes the high level of service and commitment these pilots provide," Bourne said.
Horizon Air captains average 17 years of experience with the carrier and their average age is 47. First officers average five years of experience with Horizon Air and their average age is 32. They fly aircraft that are on the leading edge of technology compared with other regional carriers. They are regularly qualified on that equipment during recurrent and proficiency evaluations mandated and closely monitored by the Federal Aviation Administration.
"While the Alaska Air Group enjoys record profits, it has adamantly refused to share even a modest portion of those profits with the professional pilots that provide dependable daily service to the customers of Horizon Air and its sister carrier, Alaska Airlines," Bourne said. "Instead, the carrier seeks concessions from its pilots, which devalues the flight deck experience and talent that allows the company to make its profits.
"The International Brotherhood of Teamsters is committed to helping the Horizon pilots achieve a contract that fully recognizes their contribution to their carrier's success. We will fully support the Horizon pilots as they negotiate for a just contract that recognizes their career expectations, respects the commitment of their families, and makes their passengers' travel experience the best possible."
The International Brotherhood of Teamsters was founded in 1903 and represents 1.4 million hardworking men and women in the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico.
01-29-2010 | 07:00 AM
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I've flown a CAT III approach in a sim before using a HUD and IMO, it was easier then CAT II without.
For the record, Eagle experience levels meet or exceed Horizons and we'll be flying Cat II's soon without HUDS. That notwithstanding, Horizon has a fine group of pilots that deserve better and I hope they get it.
I just thought the IBT could be a little more imaginative then following ALPA, as following ALPA nowadays usually gets you nowhere except poorer.
For the record, Eagle experience levels meet or exceed Horizons and we'll be flying Cat II's soon without HUDS. That notwithstanding, Horizon has a fine group of pilots that deserve better and I hope they get it.
I just thought the IBT could be a little more imaginative then following ALPA, as following ALPA nowadays usually gets you nowhere except poorer.
It is not just flying a Cat 3 approach via a HUD. It is knowing and using the restrictions and procedures that come with it. And having to operate within the ATC system with an often faulty airplane system that fails to arm far too often.
And it isn't just CAT 3/HUD we work with. It is also RNP and now a few airplanes have FMSs set up for WAAS. It is the EFBs too, which are supposed to make things easier but is yet another system we have to know and be tested on. And all this we have to be experts on via bulletins.
By no means are we special or better than any other regional. But, to blow off the additional procedures and knowledge we are required to know is not good.
And to top it all off, our technical people are working on getting minimums lowered for us on all CAT 1 approaches to 1,200 RVR.
01-29-2010 | 08:10 AM
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Can someone educate me please?
With all these airlines(at least 3 that I know of) voting, wanting, threatning to strike. The next step is the NMB. Is the NMB one "national" organization? Or are they local? It seems to me if multiple airlines are all asking for generally the same thing isnt it exactly the job description of the NMB to step in and do something now? Who does the NMB answer to? are they DoT? or another dept?
How has this worked in the past with strikes? Comair, Continental and such?
With all these airlines(at least 3 that I know of) voting, wanting, threatning to strike. The next step is the NMB. Is the NMB one "national" organization? Or are they local? It seems to me if multiple airlines are all asking for generally the same thing isnt it exactly the job description of the NMB to step in and do something now? Who does the NMB answer to? are they DoT? or another dept?
How has this worked in the past with strikes? Comair, Continental and such?
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01-29-2010 | 09:02 AM
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We are not the highest paid. I have friends at Skywest that make more than me (lineholder, 3-4 years seniority). You cannot compare hourly rate to hourly rate and make the assumption that the guy making $40/hr has a higher salary than the guy making $35/hr. Work rules have more to do with it than hourly rate. At Horizon we have decent hourly rates but crappy (almost non-existent) work rules.
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