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clearprop 02-29-2012 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by RTRD (Post 1143276)
Horizon just announced a major overhaul to it's bases. SEA being shrunk by about 50% and PDX by about 40% and opening Boise, Spokane, and Medford. No joke. All results in a net reduction in lines. Effective some time around May I think.

source please. I'm calling bull**** on this.....

Medford?! half a bottle of Jack D later and I still think this is a joke

StormChaser 02-29-2012 08:14 PM

Two of the three cities aren't really that surprising. Boise and Spokane were previously crew bases that were closed down about 10 years ago.

SurferLucas 02-29-2012 11:37 PM


Originally Posted by clearprop (Post 1143536)
source please. I'm calling bull**** on this.....

Medford?! half a bottle of Jack D later and I still think this is a joke

Oh no, it's happening boys and girls...nothing like uprooting families and lives because we can't "make enough money" despite our record profits in 2011.

Base Break Downs:
Lines by Captain/FO
PDX - 86/81
SEA - 48/46
BOI - 23/22
GEG - 23/22
MFR - 26/25

JustAMushroom 03-01-2012 12:31 AM

Does Horizon have mx in mfr? Or is there that much service there? Seems like sfo and Pdx are the only cities served. I know slc and den are done by OO, but this seems like a deadhead to/from kind of place. No disrespect to the hippies in south OR...

SurferLucas 03-01-2012 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by JustAMushroom (Post 1143591)
Does Horizon have mx in mfr? Or is there that much service there? Seems like sfo and Pdx are the only cities served. I know slc and den are done by OO, but this seems like a deadhead to/from kind of place. No disrespect to the hippies in south OR...

We have MX in a good many cities now, part of QX's attempt to up the Q400's reliability to 99%.

MFR is anyone's guess at this point...the company says it's because we have 3 RON's there. LAX, PDX and SEA are the morning flights that head out.

Personally it seems like a really bad idea, but the company seems hell bent on making this happen...just like our decision to go with EFB's that don't work, Q400's that work part of the time, ECrew that looks like a child designed it...etc, etc, etc

Fishfreighter 03-01-2012 01:16 AM

I can confirm. Just rode the jumpseat with one of the pilots who was on the advisory committee that came up with the plan. Here are the highlights...

1. Surfer Lucas has the numbers right except my source said it was total number of pilots not lines of flying. The system is designed to reduce soft time and eliminate CDOs. There will be limited number of out based reserves, just enough to cover the first flights of the day. Subsequent gaps will be filled by reserve pilots from SEA and PDX.

2. The system is projected to save $7 to 8M a year and upping the QX ROI from 5% to 9%. Considering the Air Group target of 10% ROI that is a huge increase.

3. Super bad news for offline commuters from GEG, BOI and MFD.

Nerfed 03-01-2012 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Fishfreighter (Post 1143599)
I can confirm. Just rode the jumpseat with one of the pilots who was on the advisory committee that came up with the plan. Here are the highlights...



2. The system is projected to save $7 to 8M a year and upping the QX ROI from 5% to 9%. Considering the Air Group target of 10% ROI that is a huge increase.

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$8M a year, more than a 10% savings in crew costs. I think someone hit the crack pipe a little to hard. We are adding flying this summer and if the company thinks that we will be building a schedule based on the cheapest solution they have not learned a thing in the last year. It seems like a petty way to get back at the flight crews for giving them schedules that work and reduce fatigue and sick calls to record lows. I think the 15 crews that they plan on phasing out will be quickly added back in as addition reserve crews to cover the *&^ storm they are unleashing. Nothing like commuting on your day off to sit reserve in MFR. The best part will be when crew scheduling calls you at your home to arrange a PDX/SEA show because of fog in MFR(cat1).

FL410 03-01-2012 07:00 AM

One pilot posted on our internal website that MFR really doens't allow any oppertunities for growth. We are tapped out from there. Now if the company is planning on expanding in CA then MFR really doesn't allow any options. BOI and GEG are mainly 1 or 2 day trips.
I am happy for the BOI and GEG guys that don't have to commute anymore but MFR is not a win for anyone. If SJC or LAX were the 5th domicile then it would offer better commuting options and the CA people will love it. MFR goes below Cat 1 mins alot. SJC would also allow the option of growth if they ever want to do it.
The numbers are subject to change because they are still trying to make the right amount of reserves. I see pilot attrition going up and FA attrition to go throug the roof.

FL410 03-01-2012 07:02 AM

Plus AS just got a SJC-DCA slot and QX mgnt kept saying that if that happened then they need more feed for inter CA.

ArcticDog 03-01-2012 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by FL410 (Post 1143715)
Plus AS just got a SJC-DCA slot and QX mgnt kept saying that if that happened then they need more feed for inter CA.

Nothing has been decided or announced. If we do get anything, I think it will be PDX-DCA.


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