Can someone at Horizon please Help
#12
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Position: B737 CA
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So far as 8-year upgrades...my 9-year FO friends who can't even hold weekends off in Portland wish it were so. Most junior CA is 2001 right now.
#13
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So in short, "no."
For new applicants, there is no real incentive to consider working at Horizon anymore. It used to be the guarantee that you'd be in either Portland or Seattle, so for a native PNW resident that was a decent draw. But with the prospect of being stuck in Medford or Spokane until further notice, the MUCH better option for people desiring to live in either SEA or PDX is to go to Skywest. Last guy I talked to was on the Brasilia in PDX, and said it wouldn't take long to be able to hold that... Oh, and at Skywest you'll likely have more take-home pay as well. The hourly rate isn't everything...
#14
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We lost around 14 people last bid and the bean counters say we are still overstaffed by 10. If you want pdx or sea go to sky west you will upgrade there before you will hold reserve in those Two bases at horizon.
Pay at horizon will be your hourly times 800-900 per year plus per diem and a couple thousand a year in profit sharing. There is no soft time in our joke of a contract. To top it off most of us are excited to be able to credit 5hrs a day which doesn't lead to very many days off. Did I mention the loooooong upgrade and the two year training contract.....
Pay at horizon will be your hourly times 800-900 per year plus per diem and a couple thousand a year in profit sharing. There is no soft time in our joke of a contract. To top it off most of us are excited to be able to credit 5hrs a day which doesn't lead to very many days off. Did I mention the loooooong upgrade and the two year training contract.....
#15
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Position: SFO Guppy CA
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Horizon used to be a great place. Now it's a place where if you have no ambition to move to a major and you either currently live or want to live in the PNW, then QX is the place for you. Obviously, Medford is the displacement base, so by default the junior base. Schedules are not very good. When I was there, a normal four day trip would credit about 19.5-20.5 hrs. of credit with a 92 hour monthly guarantee for line holders. Now the MG is 80.5 hours, but my friends there are not realizing many more days off if any.
Yes the hourly pay is pretty good, but when you can only credit 86-93 hours a bid (every five weeks), that doesn't really add up to much money. The airline that I'm currently at, an average four day trip is around 21-22 hours and only ten legs in four days. Trips at QX were less credit and I averaged 19 legs in four days. Trips at the other bases are not really commutable from what my friends are telling me.
Finally, if you do plan to move on to another carrier like a major, upgrade IS almost 12 yrs. Most junior captain is 01/2001 DOH. I have friends that were Q200 Captains, and have not been retrograded yet. Think long and hard about what you want from your career before going to any regional. If you want to eventually fly at a major, go to a regional where you can upgrade relatively quick and get your TPIC and get out.
Yes the hourly pay is pretty good, but when you can only credit 86-93 hours a bid (every five weeks), that doesn't really add up to much money. The airline that I'm currently at, an average four day trip is around 21-22 hours and only ten legs in four days. Trips at QX were less credit and I averaged 19 legs in four days. Trips at the other bases are not really commutable from what my friends are telling me.
Finally, if you do plan to move on to another carrier like a major, upgrade IS almost 12 yrs. Most junior captain is 01/2001 DOH. I have friends that were Q200 Captains, and have not been retrograded yet. Think long and hard about what you want from your career before going to any regional. If you want to eventually fly at a major, go to a regional where you can upgrade relatively quick and get your TPIC and get out.
#16
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Actually, I have a real question about Horizon's scheduling. I understand that after the monthly awards are published, there is a period of time -3 days or something like that- where crew members can pickup/drop/swap or trip trade with other crew members with few restrictions.....or something like that?
Now, I may be way off and I've only heard this information third or even tenth-hand, but if one of your Horizon guys or gals has the time, could you tell more about this system, if it exists and how it works?
Now, I may be way off and I've only heard this information third or even tenth-hand, but if one of your Horizon guys or gals has the time, could you tell more about this system, if it exists and how it works?
#17
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Actually, I have a real question about Horizon's scheduling. I understand that after the monthly awards are published, there is a period of time -3 days or something like that- where crew members can pickup/drop/swap or trip trade with other crew members with few restrictions.....or something like that?
Now, I may be way off and I've only heard this information third or even tenth-hand, but if one of your Horizon guys or gals has the time, could you tell more about this system, if it exists and how it works?
Now, I may be way off and I've only heard this information third or even tenth-hand, but if one of your Horizon guys or gals has the time, could you tell more about this system, if it exists and how it works?
Here's the catch. You have to be a line holder to participate in SAP at all. So maybe 2-4 years down the road you can use SAP to try to fix your BS non-commutable schedule in a domicile you didn't want.
Good times...
#18
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Actually, I have a real question about Horizon's scheduling. I understand that after the monthly awards are published, there is a period of time -3 days or something like that- where crew members can pickup/drop/swap or trip trade with other crew members with few restrictions.....or something like that?
Now, I may be way off and I've only heard this information third or even tenth-hand, but if one of your Horizon guys or gals has the time, could you tell more about this system, if it exists and how it works?
Now, I may be way off and I've only heard this information third or even tenth-hand, but if one of your Horizon guys or gals has the time, could you tell more about this system, if it exists and how it works?
The only downside to this system is that composite holders are not given their schedule until 2 days before the bid starts. This setup ensures that almost nobody bids composite instead of a line so plan on flying some really crappy picked over trips until you can hold a hard line.
#19
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Pete2800 and lowflying,
Thank you very much, I really appreciate the info...i'm not a potential applicant, I've just heard rumblings that other places are trying to put into place a system like yours and was curious as to the details.
Cheers!
Thank you very much, I really appreciate the info...i'm not a potential applicant, I've just heard rumblings that other places are trying to put into place a system like yours and was curious as to the details.
Cheers!
#20
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 341
Its a very cool setup; our union guys would be glad to share info with anyone interested in more details.
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