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Old 11-24-2006 | 12:04 PM
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Does anyone know when the contract will be done?
F9 contract ends DEC 07
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Old 11-24-2006 | 09:37 PM
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I didn't intend for this thread to become a discussion on contract negotiations, but since some current Horizon pilots are watching, let me ask you a question:

Let's say a person was to receive 3 job offers at about the same time: 1) Ameriflight on the Navajo (with probable upgrade to BE-99 in a year), 2) Skywest FO on the EMB-120, or 3) Dash-8 FO for Horizon. Theoretically all out of PDX.

Based on your experiences with Horizon and knowledge of these other companies, which would you be most likely to choose?
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Old 11-24-2006 | 10:44 PM
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If you're looking for a quick upgrade, then I would probably go to SkyWest. Maybe not as quick as Ameriflight, but a better company with more options in the long run.

If you just want to be in Portland, I would choose Horizon. Portland base at SkyWest is not very big and your chances of getting there are probably much lower than at Horizon. At Horizon, by the middle of 2007 the only base choices will be SEA or PDX with PDX being the largest. But you should be prepared for slow upgrade time. However, the crews are great!........well, most of them.
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Old 11-25-2006 | 05:49 AM
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The name of the game in this business is "get in the left seat as fast as you can!" You need that PIC time to get to the next step. The only problem with Horizon is the job is so good, guys get stuck in the right seat for too long. Every day you spend at a regional is one less day at your major airline.

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Old 11-25-2006 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Velocipede
The name of the game in this business is "get in the left seat as fast as you can!" YOu need that PIC time to get to the next step. The only problem with Horizon is the job is so good, guys get stuck in the right seat for too long. Every day you spend at a regional is one less day at your major airline.
Upgrade is the only thing that matters at the regional level. Horizon is a career killer since it takes 6 to 7 years to upgrade then you are on reserve for another one to three years. It can take 10 full years to reach a point where you can finally start applying to the majors and by then most don't care anymore.

In addition to the majors a 36 year old Horizon dash 8 captain looks like a failure sitting next to a 28 year old RJ captain from Mesa. Not good.

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Old 11-25-2006 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Velocipede
The name of the game in this business is "get in the left seat as fast as you can!" YOu need that PIC time to get to the next step. The only problem with Horizon is the job is so good, guys get stuck in the right seat for too long. Every day you spend at a regional is one less day at your major airline.
If the job is so good, why worry about moving on to a major? Horizon's pay appears to beat most (or all) other regionals, and I've heard from a number of people now that it's a good company to work for. Then again, I've heard from a handful that it sucks. And yes, I know that your 10th year at Horizon you'll probably make less than your 5th year at a major. (In the example of working for AMF or Skywest, where I would expect to spend 5 years before moving on to a major.)

Anyhow, I guess I'm wondering that if I really want to be based in PDX or SEA, Horizon might be a good choice. I have an interview coming up, so I will go to that. If offered the job, I will then be faced with the scenario I've mentioned above.
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Old 11-25-2006 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by waflyboy
If the job is so good, why worry about moving on to a major? Horizon's pay appears to beat most (or all) other regionals.
True, for now. However, QX pilots are currently in negotiations. With dorks like B6 flying EMB-190s (100 seats) for $72 an hour, how long do you think QX 70 seat jet Captains will be able to hold on to that $118 an hour? Eighteen months ago, Alaska Captains were making $190 an hour. Now they're making $155. Airline payscales are pretty darn fluid, so don't hang your hat on that.

Get yourself a job with UPS or FedEx, make big bucks, live in Portland and commute to Ontario or Anchorage. To do that, you've got to get as much turbine PIC time as fast as you can. Every year you waste in the right seat at QX so you can live in Portland is a year you give up in the left seat of a purple or brown widebody making in excess of $200K a year.

Do the math.
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Old 11-25-2006 | 10:40 AM
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Point well taken. Ameriflight was my first choice to begin with. My primary concern with AMF is the lack of crew experience when it's time to start applying for majors (and, well, salary before making it to the larger turboprops).
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