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ASpilot2be 10-04-2017 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GUFN (Post 2441407)
Back pay, too?

Yep. That's what it sounds like.

snackysmores 10-04-2017 08:06 PM

The retro pay was announced, we still do not have 4.2 as of right now. Still testing.

Ispeakjive 10-04-2017 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DashAviator (Post 2440889)
Horizon will never merge with Alaska, but I'm starting to think that a flow-through is increasingly likely. Air Group management has now replaced our VP of Flight Operations, Chief Pilot, and Director of Flight Training with Alaska personnel. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about this. I never cared much for our home-grown Horizon managers, but the new team needs to tread carefully to avoid alienating the senior Horizon employees (and not just the pilots).

In general, I dislike flow-though deals. They're just another system to keep regional pilots working for poverty wages.

The latest message from management also indicated that they were going to spend the next few months ramping up the training department, and expected any further growth to start in late 2018 (!). Looks like another busy holiday season for those of us on reserve.

Horizon management is approx 3 years behind what SkyWest figured out years ago. Remember when Horizon jet pilots won higher wages on the jets? And then the jets went away... Their current problems are a result not investing in pilots and equipment while trying to reap higher profits. Q-400's? Really? You'd be better off flying jets and working for a company that doesnt sell your jets to the competition.

AxeJammer 10-05-2017 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by flynshoe748 (Post 2440718)
GEG, MFR, and BOI bases are closed

Is BOI really closed? Are those 3 closed for good?

Griever 10-05-2017 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AxeJammer (Post 2441554)
Is BOI really closed? Are those 3 closed for good?

No, there have been no base closures. That post was her personal prediction.

flynshoe748 10-05-2017 02:52 AM

Edited....sometimes my tits get in the way of the keyboard. Blondie mistake.


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Originally Posted by flynshoe748 (Post 2440718)
It all comes down to quality of life. Nothing more, nothing less. You'll get to your major airline of choice just as fast as everyone else. Flight time is flight time but commutes suck, no matter how you rationalize it. Looks like the new management team is coming into focus. If these guys can't get QX back on track, it's going to be an epic implosion...

here's an uneducated prediction for QX in 2018...see how close I get

Serious money is thrown at attracting pilots...making it rain dollas
13 Q 400s are parked
All deliveries are taken of E175
GEG, MFR, and BOI possibility realigned...
Route structure changes, enhansed by more E175 flying
AS/QX/VX merger announced late 2018...
Mic drop


DashAviator 10-05-2017 06:59 AM

I think Fly'n Shoe's predictions are reasonable, but I think it's more like:

Serious money is thrown at training pilots... making it rain dollars.

We'll get fewer jets than we hoped for.

More of the Q400's will stay around, just like my beater car...

Some of the bases might eventually close, but I don't expect this to happen for at least a few months. Horizon management has a lot to deal with right now and base realignment could be low priority.

Route structure changes, enhanced by more Skywest flying.

Almost nothing ever happens very fast around here. If Horizon were to start painting animals on their planes like Frontier does, our symbol would be the Great Pacific Northwest yellow-bellied banana slug. Or a glacier. Also, there may be some fallout (for Horizon and Skywest) from the Alaska arbitration. I think this comes out, appropriately enough, just before Halloween.

Klsytakesit 10-05-2017 09:31 AM

You are correct in the arbitration. We are seeking to limit all 70/76 seat flying performed by others...Others is defined as any aircraft over which Alaska Airlines/AG has an interest in or operational control over operated by any pilot not on the Alaska Airlines inc. master pilot seniority list. So Horizon/Skywest fall directly in that category and it includes both turbo-prop and turbo-jet aircraft.
It goes without saying that the addition of Alaska Airlines Inc management pilots to the Horizon Air Industries roster will have no immpact on scope negotiations. It is a number one priority for the pilots at Alaska Airlines.

amcnd 10-05-2017 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit (Post 2441779)
You are correct in the arbitration. We are seeking to limit all 70/76 seat flying performed by others...Others is defined as any aircraft over which Alaska Airlines/AG has an interest in or operational control over operated by any pilot not on the Alaska Airlines inc. master pilot seniority list. So Horizon/Skywest fall directly in that category and it includes both turbo-prop and turbo-jet aircraft.
It goes without saying that the addition of Alaska Airlines Inc management pilots to the Horizon Air Industries roster will have no immpact on scope negotiations. It is a number one priority for the pilots at Alaska Airlines.

Alaska pilots are smart to limit scope.. only problem is your going into “Arbitration” Alaska wants to be like Delta and United for pay. Guess what. They will be like DL/UA for Scope. That means 200+ 76 seat 175’s running around. Now thats not reality based on Alaskas size. But right now you have 60 total 175’s that will be flying in AS colors...

DashAviator 10-05-2017 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit (Post 2441779)
You are correct in the arbitration. We are seeking to limit all 70/76 seat flying performed by others...Others is defined as any aircraft over which Alaska Airlines/AG has an interest in or operational control over operated by any pilot not on the Alaska Airlines inc. master pilot seniority list. So Horizon/Skywest fall directly in that category and it includes both turbo-prop and turbo-jet aircraft.
It goes without saying that the addition of Alaska Airlines Inc management pilots to the Horizon Air Industries roster will have no immpact on scope negotiations. It is a number one priority for the pilots at Alaska Airlines.

Thanks for the information. I would really like to see the Alaska pilots get some strong scope protection. I'm not privy to any of the arbitration details, but it does strike me as strange that Horizon has suddenly acquired three Alaska guys in key management positions.


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