The whole industry is behind you guys, don't take concessions, particularly on such a long contract term. Your pilot group is better then this. There is a shortage of pilots, or at least pilots willing to work for low wages, you have leverage. Vote No.

It's an 8 year contract, it won't be industry standard (your words not mine) for very long.

I'm not really worried about the duration... The last two contracts haven't gone the distance before being re-negotiated. With that said, I'm not impressed with this agreement.

I'm wondering how management thinks that even if ratified, this contract will attract new hires? I just don't see it...

The odds we'll go the full 8 years without something substantial changing are pretty slim, and the fact that the TA protects 52 airplanes is something of a hedge against outsourcing more of our flying within that period.

That said, I completely agree with pete2800 about this offering nothing to new hires. Unless something drastically changes, anyone coming here will be looking at around a 2 year upgrade, but it's going to be into a Q400 (with a lousy schedule) unless they want to sit right seat for a decade on the jet listening to the old guys complain about how we didn't get jet rates and how much better things were in the F28 and CRJ days.

While we do have really good vacation and benefits, I don't think those are enough to offset having to transition to a more difficult airplane and worse schedule to upgrade, even if we start offering the signing bonus that Air Group has apparently signed off on.

My understanding (based on what management has said in the past) is that we return 15 Q's when their leases expire starting in 2017, and then another five more (which we own outright) get parked some point after that, possibly in 2018.

Let's hope not. It's time some other groups raised the average instead of hanging on the coat tails of other groups.

The past is not indicative of the future... Nothing says you won't live with this contract for 8 years so why not vote it down and get gains no matter how small in all areas. PBS is awful, I'd give anything to go back to Line bidding with SAP if I could. With that said the gains I'm hearing in this TA are not worth what you will lose in PBS.

I personally believe that horizon will shrink if this fails. I'm also not a fan of pbs but I do know that we will have some of the best pbs contract language in the regional industry if this passes. Perhaps you guys can ride those coat tails the next time the management gets nervous about a union drive. ;)

Is a drumb something a trollolloll beats?

What!?!? I'm not thumping anything. I like Skywest I wish I'd gone there but they have always been number two or three in everything. Qx has had a great jet pay scale on the books for close two 3 years no one has come close to it. So you think we should shrink to make a statement? I'd rather another group stepped up..