So what happens when we say we want X software and the company says "too expensive" ?

From what I understand, we get the system we think works best and the company buys it...all the bells and whistles we want, negotiated part of the deal for PBS.

Make sure your committee knows how bad AOS is, then... I'm certain there's a reason why so many regionals ended up going with it. Idk. It seems like Navtech has a lot of clients as well, though. Mesa/Gojet are on it apparently, might be worth asking them what they think.
(Or just vote no to this offensive TA, but easy to say when I have no skin in the game and obviously no way to know if the company's threats have merit... but I do believe pilots are commodities right now.)

Seemingly related thread:
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...folks-pbs.html

Jets are on the way
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...t-quar-421088/

They are talking quite openly about Horizon flying these airplanes given that it allegedly all hinges on BOTH pilot and FA groups passing their respective TA's. It seems to me openly communicating with the media about plans for Horizon then making major deviations from that only weeks later would raise some eyebrows. That is, of course, if AAG is ready to pull that trigger if that time comes.

I think the company has done a mediocre job of making Horizon feel unloved enough to think they aren't worth more than these new contracts. Occasionally they've been on the spot, but then there are things like this that sure doesn't make it seem like the company is a finger snap away from burning Horizon down. How are there so many people leaning towards voting yes? AAG is clearly not ready to do that.

And these 175's are not realy growth.. Just a trade off for Q's going away... The whole thing is dumb.. As Alaska posts record profits. If they cared they would fold Horizon into Alaska and get the jets...

A great point and a great question. Pretty bewildering to believe a TA was even agreed to by the union let alone a yes majority vote most likely occurring in this climate of:

1) The company announcing over a billion $$ in profits.

2) These statements in the article from Pederson about QX getting the jets.

3) QX already being highly profitable operating with the current FA/pilot contracts.

4) A pilot staffing issue has by no means gone away for QX which should be allowing the union to be in a strong bargaining position... at least better than this TA seems to show!

How could the climate be any better to demand at least QOL improvements here?? Pretty astonishing. Horizon is getting these jets period. Anything the company can get through concessions on your contracts is simply gravy.

Notice the headline says "expects to order." They are just preparing the stock holders for the order so that they don't get their panties in a bunch if it goes through.

Why is there so much desperation to have a guarantee around here? Is it because of how we lost the CRJ's? It's a different time! The company is betting with nothing to lose, but following through with their threat leaves them with PLENTY to lose - they won't do it. Not when they're banking a billion in a year. The risk is NOT worth the reward for them.

We need to up our risk tolerance here folks.

Yeah pretty sure horizon falling apart would hurt Alaska more than it helps them. The whole point of having two regionals is so they can manage cost and whipsaw. They don't ACTUALLY want Horizon to shrink to unprofitability.