The Politics of JetBlue
#11
#12
Its just slime who take non-Union jobs that undercut Union contracts using the famous scabquote, "I had to feed the family."
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.
#13
You are correct, sir. SkyWest is non-Union. But, they pay more than the average regional airline. No contract undercutting there. No problem with SkyWest pilots either.
Its just slime who take non-Union jobs that undercut Union contracts using the famous scabquote, "I had to feed the family."
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.
Its just slime who take non-Union jobs that undercut Union contracts using the famous scabquote, "I had to feed the family."
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.
Let's say hypothetically that it is a period of time when the legacies aren't hiring, you don't have the connections or whatever else for UPS or FedEx, and the offers you receive are from union regionals starting at $20/hr or an up-and-coming, non-union JetBlue starting at $51/hr. Can you honestly say you would take the $20/hr job?
You dislike regionals guys too since they take flying away from mainline legacies, right?
#14
No. I'd take a non-aviation job. Or go to the FAA. But, I wouldn't cross a picket line or take a non-Union job I KNEW was undercutting the industry.
Of course, I have ethical standards. You (and scabs!) don't.
Of course, I have ethical standards. You (and scabs!) don't.
#16
You answered have the question. What about the regionals/commuters? Are they scum for taking mainline flying?
#17
Regionals fly routes that are too thin to justify major airlines. They fly 50-70 seat airliners.
YOU, on th other hand, fly a 100 seat Ejet for regional pay. So, in essence, B6 is now undercutting regional Union contracts which sucked in the first place.
What's amazing is how you DUCKS can look yourself in the mirror.
#18
[QUOTE=Velocipede;128123]
Regionals fly routes that are too thin to justify major airlines. They fly 50-70 seat airliners.
Wrong Major. Get on the DAL web site and see how many seats are on the "thin" route between ATL and AGS, for example. I remember flying 727s several times a day on that route. Close to a 1000 seats a day. How many seats are flying direct LGA, bypassing hubs. In ATL, almost 700 seats a day are flown direct and bypassing the ATL hub from close in old "traditional" Delta airports. How about this one. The larger the number of regional jets a major affiliates with, the more money they lose. Or in other words, take a look at the airlines that have little or no regional affiliates, SWA, AirTran, JetBlue, and I would say CAL affiliates have a smaller footprint than those of DAL, UAL, American, UsAir, NWAAmerican) all in BK. What is the seat mile cost for an RJ compared to your 737NG.
How about this one, Major, would you have taken a job at a union carrier that way undercut the industry standard? And should we have continued to allow FEDEx to ride our jumpseats when years ago they negotiated a contract with the a$$istance of ALPA, then voted ALPA out afterwards, but now have voted them back in. It is a tough rope to walk when you have so many absolutes.
Again, not many answers from ole green face, just snappy oneliners calling folks stupid.
Regionals fly routes that are too thin to justify major airlines. They fly 50-70 seat airliners.
Wrong Major. Get on the DAL web site and see how many seats are on the "thin" route between ATL and AGS, for example. I remember flying 727s several times a day on that route. Close to a 1000 seats a day. How many seats are flying direct LGA, bypassing hubs. In ATL, almost 700 seats a day are flown direct and bypassing the ATL hub from close in old "traditional" Delta airports. How about this one. The larger the number of regional jets a major affiliates with, the more money they lose. Or in other words, take a look at the airlines that have little or no regional affiliates, SWA, AirTran, JetBlue, and I would say CAL affiliates have a smaller footprint than those of DAL, UAL, American, UsAir, NWAAmerican) all in BK. What is the seat mile cost for an RJ compared to your 737NG.
How about this one, Major, would you have taken a job at a union carrier that way undercut the industry standard? And should we have continued to allow FEDEx to ride our jumpseats when years ago they negotiated a contract with the a$$istance of ALPA, then voted ALPA out afterwards, but now have voted them back in. It is a tough rope to walk when you have so many absolutes.
Again, not many answers from ole green face, just snappy oneliners calling folks stupid.
Last edited by Skyone; 03-04-2007 at 02:55 PM.
#19
Are you serious? Or are you really that stupid? Or are you just trying to justify your incredibly self-centered employment status?
Regionals fly routes that are too thin to justify major airlines. They fly 50-70 seat airliners.
YOU, on th other hand, fly a 100 seat Ejet for regional pay. So, in essence, B6 is now undercutting regional Union contracts which sucked in the first place.
What's amazing is how you DUCKS can look yourself in the mirror.
Regionals fly routes that are too thin to justify major airlines. They fly 50-70 seat airliners.
YOU, on th other hand, fly a 100 seat Ejet for regional pay. So, in essence, B6 is now undercutting regional Union contracts which sucked in the first place.
What's amazing is how you DUCKS can look yourself in the mirror.
That's some first year pay you guys pay your nuggets. How can you sleep at night? And only $1.30 per diem for day trips??? What a raw deal. And no premium pay either. That means our 5-year 'bus captains make the same monthly pay (based on our average 82 hour line)as yours within a few hundred dollars and don't pay the 2% toilet flush to ALPA.
Regionals hire folks who are willing to work for much less. Isn't that what you keep saying is bringing down the industry. Unless you want to get into the whole argument that 50 lives are less valuable than 150.
Last edited by Fins Up; 03-04-2007 at 06:40 PM.
#20
[QUOTE=Skyone;128281]
ALPA didn't negotiate the first contract. FPA did. Then we got ALPA back.
Regionals fly routes that are too thin to justify major airlines. They fly 50-70 seat airliners.
Wrong Major. Get on the DAL web site and see how many seats are on the "thin" route between ATL and AGS, for example. I remember flying 727s several times a day on that route. Close to a 1000 seats a day. How many seats are flying direct LGA, bypassing hubs. In ATL, almost 700 seats a day are flown direct and bypassing the ATL hub from close in old "traditional" Delta airports. How about this one. The larger the number of regional jets a major affiliates with, the more money they lose. Or in other words, take a look at the airlines that have little or no regional affiliates, SWA, AirTran, JetBlue, and I would say CAL affiliates have a smaller footprint than those of DAL, UAL, American, UsAir, NWAAmerican) all in BK. What is the seat mile cost for an RJ compared to your 737NG.
How about this one, Major, would you have taken a job at a union carrier that way undercut the industry standard? And should we have continued to allow FEDEx to ride our jumpseats when years ago they negotiated a contract with the a$$istance of ALPA, then voted ALPA out afterwards, but now have voted them back in. It is a tough rope to walk when you have so many absolutes.
Again, not many answers from ole green face, just snappy oneliners calling folks stupid.
Wrong Major. Get on the DAL web site and see how many seats are on the "thin" route between ATL and AGS, for example. I remember flying 727s several times a day on that route. Close to a 1000 seats a day. How many seats are flying direct LGA, bypassing hubs. In ATL, almost 700 seats a day are flown direct and bypassing the ATL hub from close in old "traditional" Delta airports. How about this one. The larger the number of regional jets a major affiliates with, the more money they lose. Or in other words, take a look at the airlines that have little or no regional affiliates, SWA, AirTran, JetBlue, and I would say CAL affiliates have a smaller footprint than those of DAL, UAL, American, UsAir, NWAAmerican) all in BK. What is the seat mile cost for an RJ compared to your 737NG.
How about this one, Major, would you have taken a job at a union carrier that way undercut the industry standard? And should we have continued to allow FEDEx to ride our jumpseats when years ago they negotiated a contract with the a$$istance of ALPA, then voted ALPA out afterwards, but now have voted them back in. It is a tough rope to walk when you have so many absolutes.
Again, not many answers from ole green face, just snappy oneliners calling folks stupid.
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