Contract Updates
03-28-2017 | 04:25 AM
#11
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my personal belief is sometime in 2017 as the NC is still making progress. I also think we'll see several more TA sections get signed once one of the cornerstones get signed.
If we get to a impasse on issues or JB stops negotiating in good faith then all bets are off.
If we get to a impasse on issues or JB stops negotiating in good faith then all bets are off.
03-28-2017 | 05:42 AM
#12
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my personal belief is sometime in 2017 as the NC is still making progress. I also think we'll see several more TA sections get signed once one of the cornerstones get signed.
If we get to a impasse on issues or JB stops negotiating in good faith then all bets are off.
If we get to a impasse on issues or JB stops negotiating in good faith then all bets are off.
My guess is you won't see too many sections TA'd until the very end, then a bunch will all fall at the same time since the last sections are all intertwined with each other....
BL...don't get disappointed or be surprised if there's nothing for a while then all of a sudden the last sections get TA'd at the same time......
03-28-2017 | 05:44 AM
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03-28-2017 | 05:45 AM
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NMB is not going to release you; the airline seems to be running fine...If I'm management I have no sense of urgency. I would be very surprised if you get a contract in the next year or two...I will check back in 2018 to congratulate you or get an updated projection...
I can't wait. I love when you come and bust from a real airline.
It's nice that you still care about us.
03-28-2017 | 06:20 AM
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Well beyond 2018. There is zero incentive from management to provide a market rate CBA. No attrition, plenty of pilots, no work actions or disgruntled employees. Management has "managed" this pilots expectations for the life of this airline. Now is no different. To think otherwise is naivety at its best.
03-28-2017 | 09:55 PM
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I think we'll know by the end of the summer if you're right, or if we're headed to the next phase
We will be working under of first CBA after 19-20 years in business, IMO!
Long way to go before we even round 2nd base.
Consider a new contract could increase cost by no less than $200 million per year (market rate pay only). A 5 year deal is a billion in additional cost.
Airline is making record profits. Operational metrics are higher than ever. New hires are passing IOE. Etc. The future looks bright under our current terms to management.
Why 2017? Oh .. the last update was positive and that means the same for tomorrow.
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03-29-2017 | 03:00 AM
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Head the same catch phrase last year about this time.
We will be working under of first CBA after 19-20 years in business, IMO!
Long way to go before we even round 2nd base.
Consider a new contract could increase cost by no less than $200 million per year (market rate pay only). A 5 year deal is a billion in additional cost.
Airline is making record profits. Operational metrics are higher than ever. New hires are passing IOE. Etc. The future looks bright under our current terms to management.
Why 2017? Oh .. the last update was positive and that means the same for tomorrow.
We will be working under of first CBA after 19-20 years in business, IMO!
Long way to go before we even round 2nd base.
Consider a new contract could increase cost by no less than $200 million per year (market rate pay only). A 5 year deal is a billion in additional cost.
Airline is making record profits. Operational metrics are higher than ever. New hires are passing IOE. Etc. The future looks bright under our current terms to management.
Why 2017? Oh .. the last update was positive and that means the same for tomorrow.
03-29-2017 | 07:51 AM
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I understand your sentiment and to be honest with you, I can't argue against much of what you said. I do listen to the P2P conference calls and pay attention to what the NC say and how they say it....the tone changed a bit a month ago or so towards a more cautious optimism... it their patience isn't unlimited either......like I said, late summer we'll know much better where we stand and whether we'll be wrapping this up quickly or whether we'll have to dig in for a prolonged fight....
IMO, not informational picketing but instead another splinter group will form and is probably already formed to undermine ALPA.
03-29-2017 | 07:58 AM
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Does anyone know if the Port Authority not allowing picketing is a real thing? Or can we picket inside T5?
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