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capt707 03-29-2017 02:06 PM

I think this summer will be bad... crap staffing, runway closure at JFK, t-storms, ground delay programs...it will be IROP galore.... but with that comes RSA galore which will bring out all the RSA/VDA wh0res.

The question is... how soon do you guys wants a CBA? Refrain from picking up the RSA/VDAs, taking extensions and doing the company favors, I bet your a$$ we could have a TA this fall.

I'll just keep on dreaming...

N311JB 03-29-2017 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Combatcraig (Post 2331973)
I was mentored that "if you can't FLICA, you sicka" lol.

Yeah this. Don't worry. We'll still have guys/gals picking up RSAs, RTFs, VDAs. The operation will be fine. Make sure you extend when we're in single runway operation in the summer, that'll show em. Give in to complaceny when you want to fatigue but don't want to fill out paperwork. It's gonna be a long summer with all red grid, no vacations, 3hr EDCTs, unstacking due to high bid advisors.

Combatcraig 03-29-2017 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by capt707 (Post 2332087)
I think this summer will be bad... crap staffing, runway closure at JFK, t-storms, ground delay programs...it will be IROP galore.... but with that comes RSA galore which will bring out all the RSA/VDA wh0res.

The question is... how soon do you guys wants a CBA? Refrain from picking up the RSA/VDAs, taking extensions and doing the company favors, I bet your a$$ we could have a TA this fall.

I'll just keep on dreaming...

Unfortunately, I think the lion'a share of pilots that pick that stuff up don't read these forums and don't care! I wish there was another way to get that message out.

Beechnut 03-29-2017 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Combatcraig (Post 2332220)
Unfortunately, I think the lion'a share of pilots that pick that stuff up don't read these forums and don't care! I wish there was another way to get that message out.

The message you're trying to get out is an illegal job action.

Who's side are you on?

PasserOGas 03-29-2017 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by Beechnut (Post 2332245)
The message you're trying to get out is an illegal job action.

Who's side are you on?

It's not illegal if alpa doesn't sign off on it. It's just you and me putting our foot down.

Xtreme87 03-29-2017 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2332328)
It's not illegal if alpa doesn't sign off on it. It's just you and me putting our foot down.

Pretty sure it's illegal, but hey what isn't illegal in the US?

Beechnut 03-29-2017 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2332328)
It's not illegal if alpa doesn't sign off on it. It's just you and me putting our foot down.

Not true at all. The representing agency can be (and has been) held responsible for the illegal work actions that some of their membership have taken upon themselves to do.

What you are advocating is most specifically illegal and if the Company feels they have damages, they can go after ALPA.

Bluedriver 03-29-2017 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by Beechnut (Post 2332360)
Not true at all. The representing agency can be (and has been) held responsible for the illegal work actions that some of their membership have taken upon themselves to do.

What you are advocating is most specifically illegal and if the Company feels they have damages, they can go after ALPA.

So you are going to save ALPA by continuing to pick up RSAs and VDAs? Am I understanding you correctly?

Bozo the pilot 03-30-2017 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by N311JB (Post 2332096)
Yeah this. Don't worry. We'll still have guys/gals picking up RSAs, RTFs, VDAs. The operation will be fine. Make sure you extend when we're in single runway operation in the summer, that'll show em. Give in to complaceny when you want to fatigue but don't want to fill out paperwork. It's gonna be a long summer with all red grid, no vacations, 3hr EDCTs, unstacking due to high bid advisors.

^^^ All true ^^^ Its already a bit difficult to drop a midweek 2 or 3 day and its March. B6=JV
Take a look at 3/31 coverage:rolleyes:

Chicken Taco 03-30-2017 12:56 PM

Two things to consider here:

1. ALPA can not and will not encourage any job action or change to the status quo. This is in fact illegal.

2. It is up to each of us as an individual to decide what we are or are not willing to work. RSA is essentially free labor for the company. It pays straight time and gains you nothing. Essentially every 18 RSA shifts per month picked up equals one less pilot on the property. VDA is another story entirely. It's up to the pilot to choose to work, and the pay at 190% is punitive to the company.


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