JetBlue FO to legacy without TPIC?
 

Are many JetBlue FOs trying to make this jump? For the ones who never upgraded at their regional, has a lack of TPIC been a major hindrance?

I know of a fellow that recently left for Delta from B6 with no TPIC of which to speak of, at least as far as I know.

With the amount of attrition we are having, I'd say no it doesn't matter. I know of a few who've made the leap to a legacy with no PIC from a regional, let alone BlewJet. If anything, I'd say it would accelerate these guys/gals as a fresh type rating always looks good.

I know one too.

I had a few "flows" in my class from Cape Air.
They had PIC as they flew a lot of single pilot but most had zero TPIC. The sim guys I asked said they actually were really good pilots, probably due to all the single pilot/no autopilot experience... Good luck to ya.

I know three first year guys who are bailing for legacies with zero TPIC. Not a hindrance. There are many of us who are ready to make the jump soon if a solid CBA doesn't show up soon. You can only tolerate getting paid 30-40% less than your peers for so long...

Ha. TPIC means nothing anymore. Having experience is "icky" nowadays to HR types.


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Why wait for a CBA? You've seen first hand what management thinks of pilots. Do you really think you'd be better off at Delta or JB IF the contracts were even the same?

Remember, growth MAY happen. Retirements WILL happen.

Gup

Plenty have done it . Don't sell your self short , go to a job fair and tell/show the recruiters why you want the job and how you ll be a great fit . They easily look over the lack of TPIC.

Having worked job fairs and done recruiting , I can tell you from personal experience, what's in the resume is really only one part of what is looked at, when you have 1000 guys all in suites all look sharp , all have decent resumes , yet several can't have a decent conversation or hardly look you in the eye when your talking with them or explain why they actually want the job versus thinking they deserve it , then you II get the kid who comes along ,blows you away , great guy , can talk about other stuff other than flying , maybe doesn't have the PIc due to what ever reason maybe out of his control , besides lack of PIC over all great package , he ll get picked .

Don't all your self short guys , don't think just cause you don't have he PIC it won't happen, sell your self .

Cheers

What about with 3600 jetpic? I'm not getting called either, idk

Jetblue probably wont call you because the expectation is you will leave for a major airline shortly thereafter.

I'm already at JB. And that expectation is correct. Trying to make it to the bigs.

Many have done it, so I'm gonna say that it doesn't matter these days.

Good luck, hope you make it.

Best of luck. Hope to follow in your footsteps along with many others here.

A few months back, DL hired a 23 year old kid OTS. No TPIC. No TSIC. Just GA time.

Family members of higher ups don't count.

In your opinion, perhaps. They may tend to disagree with you.

But that wasn't the case.

So what was the case then? He obviously knew someone if he was hired at 23 with no turbine time.

It's all about networking. You don't think the "who you knows" don't get preference at all the majors? Come on now....

Meanwhile at Delta... latest bid award..

NYC 320 Capt is at 1 year 9 months
NYC 737 Capt is at 2 years 4 months
NYC 717 Capt is at 1 year 3 months
ATL M88 Capt is at 4 months

NYC 767-400 FO is at 1 year

Anybody know the numbers for LAX upgrade? I'm certain it's not as impressive, but I'm curious.

You can hold 777 FO LAX in less than 3 yrs

What are some of the experience levels of these NYC upgrades? In this new world of hiring without any TPIC, are some of these people seeing the left seat for the first time in their careers with 200 people sitting behind them? :(:confused::eek:

Spend some money on an interview prep package. There's likely something that is getting your resume tossed into the less desirable file.

Minimum of 1000hrs 121 SIC time or waiverable IAW the regs... apparently the question has come up recently from some of the military folks and the company won't let them bid for upgrade until they meet the requirments, regardless of seniority.

I'm not worried about the military folks. I'm more worried about some of the job fair superstars that have been mixed in with the deserving "tier 1 candidates."

Seems that the company policy is the same regardless of background...

11,1XX seniority numbers held LAX 717.

10,7XX held LAX 737

Summer 2014 hires.

Maybe some more junior, just a quick glance.

Well, it's interesting what DAL has done with their hiring process on this round. But I'm inclined to call bovine scatology on that one.

How long do you think the gateway select people will be on property before the first one decides to bail to a legacy?

I doubt JetBlue would care it's not like the company is paying for them. If anything it would just make another opening to get someone to pay:(

Yeah but the guy I was quoting said that wasn't the case. Hence my question. :rolleyes:

West coast widebodies are going to 14,0XX as well. Basically within a year you can have any right seat you want, and a handful of left seats.

Meanwhile at BlueJet, you get to don gloves and clean the cabin of your narrowbody for 30-40% less compensation.

Why are you cleaning?

I'm not, but I witness it all too often. Especially when passing through BOS. Hmm...

Ok, I'll fix it for you. Meanwhile at BlueJet, you get attitude from the flight attendants when you don't don gloves and clean the cabin of your narrowbody for 30-40% less compensation.

I never clean and I've never gotten attitude. I'm usually one of the first off the plane. BOS based. maybe you should let the FA's know it's not in your job description. Seriously.

Oh, I do.

The point of the original post that you decided to ignore is we have hired our last captain, and a guy can hold the left seat at Delta within a year, and just about any right seat in the same time frame. Paid 30-40% less with worse career prospects. Wonderful.

Right.

But I was just answering to "upgrade", as opposed to "transition".

I hope to all things holy for all of our mental health that you have an app in there and they call and hire you.

You were not given good info (from the internet) and you came here. Life is worse for you at JetBlue vs your regional. The Boston guys suck, the FAs are rude, there are juicers lying on the internet to get guys to come here, the CBA progress is way to slow and could stop at anytime, we are 30-40% behind and on and on and on.

Dude there is no way you are going to be happy even if we do get a great CBA. Lots of the other things you don't like most likely won't change.

In no way am I saying if you don't like it leave(read that again) but I am saying that just from what you post(I don't know you except on here) I doubt you will ever be happy here. You don't want to go through life like that.

Trust me I wish this stupid CBA was done and we knew where we were going but the only information we can base things on is what we have now and there is no way we can even come close to Delta.

Honestly ATR I just hope you find some kind of happiness with your career if it is at JetBlue(I hope so)great if not this is the best time ever to go where you want.