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pilotpayne 07-08-2017 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by feltf4 (Post 2391636)
Going out of business you say?

Making money? But going out of business?

Delusional...

How are things suppose to go out of curiosity?

My girlfriend just had brunch with RH's wife and kids, she said the tech venture lady said the the new pack outs were because Frontier was going to buy us and that's how they pack their stuff....

Then again, weren't 50 sweaters supposed to be a thing of the past buy now?

This place will shut down when Kim's ICBM goes further than he can pee.

50 sweaters and frontier is buying us?

CaptCoolHand 07-08-2017 09:28 PM

You guys are nuts. We've got tech ventures run by an Olympian and electric planes on the drawing board.

Remember... it's not a circle unless it's a blue circle... because blue is different and stuff

Cloud5urfer 07-09-2017 01:41 AM


Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2391703)
50 sweaters and United is buying us?

Fixed it 😁

GuppyPuppy 07-09-2017 02:40 AM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2391716)
You guys are nuts. We've got tech ventures run by an Olympian and electric planes on the drawing board.

Remember... it's not a circle unless it's a blue circle... because blue is different and stuff

At what point will the board consider JBTV a complete waste of money?

Just another avenue BS can take so she doesn't have to fly (thank goodness).

Gup

PasserOGas 07-09-2017 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy (Post 2391766)
At what point will the board consider JBTV a complete waste of money?

Just another avenue BS can take so she doesn't have to fly (thank goodness).

Gup

When Bonnie goes to Tibet with Erlich Bachman.

pilotpayne 07-09-2017 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2391784)
When Bonnie goes to Tibet with Erlich Bachman.

To get the 50 sweaters?

PasserOGas 07-09-2017 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2391864)
To get the 50 sweaters?

I think he is on constant mind altering drugs, much like our ELT.

aldonite7667 07-09-2017 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2391784)
When Bonnie goes to Tibet with Erlich Bachman.

Love that show.

ecam 07-12-2017 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 2389389)
Hawaiian makes no sense without a west coast base. What does serving the pacific bring jetblue without west coast feed and a European route structure to compliment it?

Alaska I would believe. Where people come up with this Hawaiian thing just baffles me.

Now Hawaiian with Alaska would make it doable but a 3 way is as likely as your wife bring you one home too.


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Rumor going around Allegiant is that we are buying Hawaiian.

Gearswinger 07-12-2017 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by ecam (Post 2393166)
Rumor going around Allegiant is that we are buying Hawaiian.

Allegiant is where all of the good Hawaiian and Jetblue info comes from, just like we are the source for Southwest and United.

stanherman 07-12-2017 11:05 AM

Email came out today explicitly blaming ATC and no one else for the recent operational pitfalls we have been experiencing daily.

aldonite7667 07-12-2017 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by citxls (Post 2393351)
Email came out today explicitly blaming ATC and no one else for the recent operational pitfalls we have been experiencing daily.


ATC now provides catering, MX and crew planning for Jetblue.

Softpayman 07-12-2017 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by citxls (Post 2393351)
Email came out today explicitly blaming ATC and no one else for the recent operational pitfalls we have been experiencing daily.

Lol. They've been behind the ATC reform push for some time.

Gearswinger 07-12-2017 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by citxls (Post 2393351)
Email came out today explicitly blaming ATC and no one else for the recent operational pitfalls we have been experiencing daily.

This is such bulls#!t. It can only be true if ATC has it out for JB. Other airlines haven't been hovering below 50% on time. It's hard to look customers in the eye knowing how terrible the on time performance is. I WANT to be proud of my company's performance. Sadly, I can't.

Std Deviation 07-12-2017 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by Gearswinger (Post 2393419)
This is such bulls#!t. It can only be true if ATC has it out for JB. Other airlines haven't been hovering below 50% on time. It's hard to look customers in the eye knowing how terrible the on time performance is. I WANT to be proud of my company's performance. Sadly, I can't.

Immediately upon showing up at the gate yesterday I was mobbed by irate passengers. Some yelling. I'm trying to explain I JUST GOT HERE and have no idea what's going on while the fervor is escalating. Sorry I can't give you a seat. No, I don't know where you bags are. No I have no idea why 4 JFK flights are delayed 3 hrs and leaving 12 minutes apart. Gird your loins, it's getting interesting out there.

Std Deviation 07-12-2017 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 2393371)
Lol. They've been behind the ATC reform push for some time.

A fox with the keys to the henhouse. The airlines get a seat on the board under privatization. NBAA, AOPA, and all the other alphabets are opposed. Who has the most to gain? The airlines of course.

Softpayman 07-12-2017 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Gearswinger (Post 2393419)
This is such bulls#!t. It can only be true if ATC has it out for JB. Other airlines haven't been hovering below 50% on time. It's hard to look customers in the eye knowing how terrible the on time performance is. I WANT to be proud of my company's performance. Sadly, I can't.

JB for better or worse flies out of delay prone airports and stands the most to gain by improvements to ATC. Also JB not having a regional to take it on the chin delay-wise is at a disadvantage. Ex. DL and JB both have an evening departure from BUF to JFK. JB takes a delay, as does Endevour but not DL. A real inaccuracy in reporting on time if u ask me...

capt707 07-12-2017 10:55 PM

Don't forget to dial in to this weeks Jet Talk with "Captain" Bart to learn about volunteer opportunities near you.

Is this f'ing company for real?

GuppyPuppy 07-13-2017 01:55 AM


Originally Posted by capt707 (Post 2393631)
Don't forget to dial in to this weeks Jet Talk with "Captain" Bart to learn about volunteer opportunities near you.

Is this f'ing company for real?

Unfortunately, yes.

Gup

taxi1wire 07-13-2017 04:21 AM

Blaming ATC is not the answer. There is only so much runway space in JFK and BOS. When you schedule 40 flights in a 60 minute period in the late afternoon to both airports in the middle of thunderstorm season, you can only blame yourself. Management's job is to understand the environment they work in and create solutions. JB needs to get creative, develop a long term growth plan that takes this into account and not blame ATC for delays they help create. They are in the big leagues now, play and act like it!

CaptCoolHand 07-13-2017 04:36 AM


Originally Posted by taxi1wire (Post 2393660)
Blaming ATC is not the answer. There is only so much runway space in JFK and BOS. When you schedule 40 flights in a 60 minute period in the late afternoon to both airports in the middle of thunderstorm season, you can only blame yourself. Management's job is to understand the environment they work in and create solutions. JB needs to get creative, develop a long term growth plan that takes this into account and not blame ATC for delays they help create. They are in the big leagues now, play and act like it!

ummm...

no its' growing pains...

we're ONLY 17

humanity

culture

Everyone needs to sacrifice to work here.

N311JB 07-13-2017 06:43 AM

6hrs delayed the other day, 8hrs the day after doing the same flight. I can't look at these passengers any more with dignity It's really and unfair to see what the gate agents are going through.

Cloud5urfer 07-13-2017 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 2393451)
JB for better or worse flies out of delay prone airports and stands the most to gain by improvements to ATC. Also JB not having a regional to take it on the chin delay-wise is at a disadvantage. Ex. DL and JB both have an evening departure from BUF to JFK. JB takes a delay, as does Endevour but not DL. A real inaccuracy in reporting on time if u ask me...

I think this is changing in 2018 so that DL, UA, AA, AS will need to include their regional performance in with their own. They're putting a lot more pressure on performance numbers with their regional carriers now because of it.

capt707 07-13-2017 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by N311JB (Post 2393727)
6hrs delayed the other day, 8hrs the day after doing the same flight. I can't look at these passengers any more with dignity It's really and unfair to see what the gate agents are going through.

We'll get you there.... 15 hours late! All about that conpletion factor!

http://i68.tinypic.com/2ilzskh.jpg

"Thank you for not flying JetBlue" is my new phrase!

P-3Bubba 07-13-2017 09:53 AM

I love the customers who stick around to board that flight. I did a BOS-JFK leg a couple of months ago that was delayed 9 hours. A customer said, "I could have driven there by now." I thought but didn't say ("YOU COULD HAVE MADE 3 ROUND TRIPS BY CAR!!!!!!)

-Bubs

Softpayman 07-13-2017 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by capt707 (Post 2393808)
We'll get you there.... 15 hours late! All about that conpletion factor!

http://i68.tinypic.com/2ilzskh.jpg

"Thank you for not flying JetBlue" is my new phrase!

That's actually right out of DL's playbook. Don't cancel, just run it a day late if able.

Bozo the pilot 07-13-2017 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by aldonite7667 (Post 2393368)
ATC now provides catering, MX and crew planning for Jetblue.

LOLOL- I love this post.:D

WorkingUp 07-14-2017 03:30 PM

In light of the last e-mail blaming everything on ATC, here are yesterdays LAX - JFK flights. Results are similar on most, if not all, transcon flights . . .

DELTA
763 (EARLY at 1434L)
1123 (EARLY at 1514L)
407 (LATE by 7:07, at 0037L next day)
40 (LATE by 59 mins, at 2059L)
473 (EARLY at 2107L)
2262 (LATE by 59 mins, at 2341L)
759 (LATE by 4 mins, at 0058L next day)
1162 (EARLY at 0532L next day)
1908 (EARLY at 0702L next day)
1362 (EARLY at 0829L next day)

JETBLUE
2024 (LATE by 1:01, at 0959L)
24 (LATE by 10:12, at 0037L next day)
124 (LATE by 4:37, at 2136L)
224 (LATE by 2:20, at 2050L)
324 (LATE by 17 mins, at 2018L)
424 (LATE by 1:03, at 2242L)
524 (LATE by 1:46, at 0031L next day)
624 (LATE by 1:44, at 0132L next day)
1124 (LATE by 44 mins, at 0135L next day)
1224 (LATE by 5:35, at 1109L next day)

Yeah, its an ATC issue . . . :rolleyes:

PasserOGas 07-14-2017 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by WorkingUp (Post 2394500)
In light of the last e-mail blaming everything on ATC, here are yesterdays LAX - JFK flights. Results are similar on most, if not all, transcon flights . . .

DELTA
763 (EARLY at 1434L)
1123 (EARLY at 1514L)
407 (LATE by 7:07, at 0037L next day)
40 (LATE by 59 mins, at 2059L)
473 (EARLY at 2107L)
2262 (LATE by 59 mins, at 2341L)
759 (LATE by 4 mins, at 0058L next day)
1162 (EARLY at 0532L next day)
1908 (EARLY at 0702L next day)
1362 (EARLY at 0829L next day)

JETBLUE
2024 (LATE by 1:01, at 0959L)
24 (LATE by 10:12, at 0037L next day)
124 (LATE by 4:37, at 2136L)
224 (LATE by 2:20, at 2050L)
324 (LATE by 17 mins, at 2018L)
424 (LATE by 1:03, at 2242L)
524 (LATE by 1:46, at 0031L next day)
624 (LATE by 1:44, at 0132L next day)
1124 (LATE by 44 mins, at 0135L next day)
1224 (LATE by 5:35, at 1109L next day)

Yeah, its an ATC issue . . . :rolleyes:

Im curious what Delta's turn times are.

WorkingUp 07-14-2017 04:19 PM

763 (B763) was on ground for 12 hours, came in from HNL.
1123 (B764) was on ground for 8 hours, came in from JFK.
407 (A333) was on ground for 12 hours, came in from JFK.
40 (B752) scheduled for 1:05 on ground, came in from JFK.
473 (B763) scheduled for 1:00 on ground, came in from JFK.
2262 (B763) scheduled for 1:10 on ground, came in from JFK.
759 (B752) scheduled for 0:50 on ground, came in from JFK.
1162 (B752) scheduled for 0:50 on ground, came in from DCA.
1908 (B763) scheduled for 3:55 on ground, came in from HNL.
1362 (B752) scheduled for 3:40 on ground, came in from JFK.

PasserOGas 07-14-2017 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by WorkingUp (Post 2394526)
763 (B763) was on ground for 12 hours, came in from HNL.
1123 (B764) was on ground for 8 hours, came in from JFK.
407 (A333) was on ground for 12 hours, came in from JFK.
40 (B752) scheduled for 1:05 on ground, came in from JFK.
473 (B763) scheduled for 1:00 on ground, came in from JFK.
2262 (B763) scheduled for 1:10 on ground, came in from JFK.
759 (B752) scheduled for 0:50 on ground, came in from JFK.
1162 (B752) scheduled for 0:50 on ground, came in from DCA.
1908 (B763) scheduled for 3:55 on ground, came in from HNL.
1362 (B752) scheduled for 3:40 on ground, came in from JFK.

Huh, seems like they give their crews time to turn the jets. What a concept.

Rabid Seagull 07-17-2017 01:34 PM

New rule
 
New Rule for Reserves:

Every day the DRO is late, add up the delay in minutes and put those minutes in a "time bank". Once those delay minutes equal 4:12 you get a day off.

The DRO the other day was 3+ hours late. They expect us to show up on-time, but yet they can't do their job on-time.

Pathetic.

402DRVR 07-18-2017 04:21 AM

Was talking to guy here the other day who said he'd been keeping count. Sounds like its been 65 consecutive days with the DRO being late. Not sure how accurate that is but it does make me wonder how many times I could show for work late and not activate the dependability policy?

Std Deviation 07-18-2017 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by taxi1wire (Post 2393660)
Blaming ATC is not the answer. There is only so much runway space in JFK and BOS. When you schedule 40 flights in a 60 minute period in the late afternoon to both airports in the middle of thunderstorm season, you can only blame yourself. Management's job is to understand the environment they work in and create solutions. JB needs to get creative, develop a long term growth plan that takes this into account and not blame ATC for delays they help create. They are in the big leagues now, play and act like it!

Maybe the plan should include overnights in places with 7:41 turns so when you taxi for 1:59 they're not scrambling to gather crews from out stations in Texas when we time out after the first leg. But no worries, it's only a three hour drive between AUS and the other TX destinations. They'll drive someone over. Eventually.

goose15 07-18-2017 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by 402DRVR (Post 2396078)
Was talking to guy here the other day who said he'd been keeping count. Sounds like its been 65 consecutive days with the DRO being late. Not sure how accurate that is but it does make me wonder how many times I could show for work late and not activate the dependability policy?

Honestly, I am surprised the company hasn't send an email changing the published DRO time to something later by now, in order to avoid sending emails apologizing for the late publishing times, on an almost daily basis. Saying you are Sorry over and over again, yet nothing changes, means you Don't really Care. I wonder if they send you a little thank you email or note for picking up RSA, VDA...:rolleyes: Never done one but my guess is that they don't. Contract Above All!

CaptCoolHand 07-18-2017 10:06 AM

http://i66.tinypic.com/30rv7ew.jpg

This is whats happening right now.

Contract Above All

CONTRACT NOW.

PasserOGas 07-18-2017 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2396235)
http://i66.tinypic.com/30rv7ew.jpg

This is whats happening right now.

Contract Above All

CONTRACT NOW.

A WAI for white guys?

PasserOGas 07-18-2017 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2396235)
http://i66.tinypic.com/30rv7ew.jpg

This is whats happening right now.

Contract Above All

CONTRACT NOW.

A WAI/OBAP for white guys?

Big E 757 07-19-2017 12:37 AM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2396255)
A WAI/OBAP for white guys?

I see one guy that isn't white.

Theotheaviator 07-19-2017 03:34 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2396578)
I see one guy that isn't white.

Thank you Big E 757!


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