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Old 08-30-2017 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by itsmytime
The above example also doesn't consider that you could go somewhere cheaper than ATP and get those same ratings for about 50k instead of 66k. Another substantial savings.
Or get hired by a Legacy in that time either because you'll be needed there as well.

Unless you've got a really big hard on to fly blue jets... seems there's better ways.
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Old 08-30-2017 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by itsmytime
Not even close. Let me break this down for you:

Since I've got 150k burning a hole in my pocket how about I try this?

Go to ATP and drop 66k on the fast track. It takes 9 months from 0 time to MEI. Let's add 25k, (and I think that's excessive) for housing, food, examiner fees, misc. items, etc. so I'm at 91 k all in. 59k savings right off the bat.

I'm at a busy location, so I get 100 hours a month instructing. So after 21 months I've got 1500 hours and go to a regional.

3 months for Indoc and training has me at 24 months. At 75 hours a month, in 14 months I have another 1000 hours. Now I'm at 2500 hours at 38 months time.

I can now get hired at JetBlue off the street 10 months earlier, and 59k richer. That doesn't even count the extra 80-100k I made in salary for instructing and being a regional FO.
That's a good example but you're not going to get hired here with 2500 hours. 4-5000 is average.
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Old 08-30-2017 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
Or get hired by a Legacy in that time either because you'll be needed there as well.

Unless you've got a really big hard on to fly blue jets... seems there's better ways.
Even with that hard on, there's better ways. If it was 2 years to the right seat at Jetblue, I could understand it (time is money, skip the regionals). I still wouldn't do it, but I understand how someone else could rationalize it. But four years, no friggin way.
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Old 08-30-2017 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
That's a good example but you're not going to get hired here with 2500 hours. 4-5000 is average.
Probably not, but I believe the posted mins are 2500. That's what I went with.
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Old 08-30-2017 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
That's a good example but you're not going to get hired here with 2500 hours. 4-5000 is average.
Not right now. but look down the road 3, 5, 7 years... Times are changing again and we will see very low time guys in your right seat again at the big boy airlines.
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Old 08-30-2017 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
Not right now. but look down the road 3, 5, 7 years... Times are changing again and we will see very low time guys in your right seat again at the big boy airlines.
I keep hearing that and I just can't agree. Just looking around at my small circle of pilot friends I have plenty of pilots approaching 10,000 total time and they are still stuck at regional or LCC. There is plentiful supply of very experienced and well qualified pool pilots out there. The low time pilots getting hired are just a small chunk of the overall population.
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Old 08-30-2017 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by itsmytime
Not even close. Let me break this down for you:

Since I've got 150k burning a hole in my pocket how about I try this?

Go to ATP and drop 66k on the fast track. It takes 9 months from 0 time to MEI. Let's add 25k, (and I think that's excessive) for housing, food, examiner fees, misc. items, etc. so I'm at 91 k all in. 59k savings right off the bat.

I'm at a busy location, so I get 100 hours a month instructing. So after 21 months I've got 1500 hours and go to a regional.

3 months for Indoc and training has me at 24 months. At 75 hours a month, in 14 months I have another 1000 hours. Now I'm at 2500 hours at 38 months time.

I can now get hired at JetBlue off the street 10 months earlier, and 59k richer. That doesn't even count the extra 80-100k I made in salary for instructing and being a regional FO.


Wow.... sigh....that seems like a lot of trouble. Can't I just write a check?

Can you take all my writtens for me? I'll give you $5000

See you on the line in 4 years. I don't do pre/post-flights BTW.
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Old 08-30-2017 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rascal
I keep hearing that and I just can't agree. Just looking around at my small circle of pilot friends I have plenty of pilots approaching 10,000 total time and they are still stuck at regional or LCC. There is plentiful supply of very experienced and well qualified pool pilots out there. The low time pilots getting hired are just a small chunk of the overall population.

My opinion on that is that JetBlue probably sees them as "having too much experience" to the point where they are dead set in their ways (union habits, no moldable to the "Jetblue" culture, etc).

Again my opinion. If that is the case, doesn't mean it's right.
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Old 08-31-2017 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Rascal
I keep hearing that and I just can't agree. Just looking around at my small circle of pilot friends I have plenty of pilots approaching 10,000 total time and they are still stuck at regional or LCC. There is plentiful supply of very experienced and well qualified pool pilots out there. The low time pilots getting hired are just a small chunk of the overall population.

I hear that. I have friends in the same position. I know however that a number of them don't want to or won't come here. For a number of reasons. Some guys only want to work for AA or DAL or Atlas... whatever. Right now there are plenty of qualified guys that may want to come work for us. All I'm saying is that the future may yield a much smaller pool of guys with that kind of experience that are willing to work here.
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Old 08-31-2017 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
I hear that. I have friends in the same position. I know however that a number of them don't want to or won't come here. For a number of reasons. Some guys only want to work for AA or DAL or Atlas... whatever. Right now there are plenty of qualified guys that may want to come work for us. All I'm saying is that the future may yield a much smaller pool of guys with that kind of experience that are willing to work here.
Atlas? What the..?
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