Bluenited.....take 2(0000)
#11
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The best was grim04's suggestion of DOH until 2007, and then 5-to-1 ratio favoring jetBlue:Before you start throwing bricks at UAL pilots, some of you might want to check your own history last year.
#12
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I'm sorry, but none of the big 4 will be buying JB.
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From: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...oreUserAgent=1
Ready for another round of airline mergers? Wall Street is. An influential airline analyst is stirring the pot with a note positing a combination of United Continental and JetBlue Airways, one of the upstart carriers that have reignited competition on some key routes. They're an unwelcome irritant to "legacy carriers" United, American and Delta, which went through a series of megamergers in order to snuff out profit-crushing fare wars that helped force all of them into bankruptcy reorganization since the turn of the century.
Merger integration was especially painful for Chicago-based United, which endured years of glitches as it struggled to combine operations with Houston-based Continental Airlines. Nevertheless, analyst Hunter Keay of Wolfe Research lays out a case for buying JetBlue. "Though airlines have consolidated to the point where most assume further M&A is unlikely, we still see the possibility of UAL going after JBLU in order for UAL to address its own perceived lack of a sufficient domestic presence," Keay writes.
Keay points out that JetBlue would give United more capacity in the U.S., a priority for CEO Oscar Munoz and top lieutenant Scott Kirby. United has been adding service on routes connecting smaller U.S. cities to its major domestic hubs. Yet as Keay notes, American and Delta both have more domestic capacity than United—American significantly more. Adding JetBlue would give United a slight edge on American in domestic "available seat miles," a measure of airline capacity.
There may be other reasons to buy JetBlue. Acquiring a troublesome new challenger would eliminate one source of growing price pressure across the industry. United also might want to keep JetBlue out of the hands of another rival, such as American. "United has the opportunity to strike at an opportune time," Keay argues, noting JetBlue's stock is down, United's balance sheet is strong and low interest rates reduce deal financing costs. JetBlue declines to comment, and United didn't respond to my inquiry.
Keay devotes considerable ink to addressing antitrust obstacles to a deal. Federal antitrust enforcers greenlighted the last round of airline combinations in part because of concerns that some carriers wouldn't survive alone. But with consolidated airlines now enjoying profits so robust that American CEO Doug Parker recently said he doesn't think his company will ever "lose money again," another round of mergers might not get such a solicitous regulatory reception.
A United/JetBlue tie-up would raise serious competitive concerns in the politically sensitive New York market, where they have a combined 42 percent market share. Among other possible solutions, Keay suggests regulators might agree to consider Newark Airport, where United dominates, as a separate market from LaGuardia and Kennedy airports, where it has a smaller presence. He also raises the possibility of lenient antitrust reviews under business-friendly Trump appointees. Maybe, but political heavyweights like U.S. Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman aren't likely to sit still for a deal that gives a single airline nearly half their home market.
At a minimum, antitrust regulators would require significant route divestitures that erode the value of the deal to United. And the benefits of acquiring JetBlue may not be as great as they initially appear. Keay notes that only 16 percent of JetBlue's capacity feeds directly into United's domestic hubs.
It seems to me that United is better off strategically adding flights on its own, in line with Kirby's plan to maximize traffic through domestic hubs. Buying JetBlue would bring complex merger integration challenges—probably including a serious culture clash—threatening United's recent rebound from customer-service and on-time performance woes caused in no small part by its last big deal.
But like it or not, the scenario is now on the table. And CEOs don't need much prodding to chase acquisitions. If consolidation takes off again, no airline boss will want to be left at the gate.
Merger integration was especially painful for Chicago-based United, which endured years of glitches as it struggled to combine operations with Houston-based Continental Airlines. Nevertheless, analyst Hunter Keay of Wolfe Research lays out a case for buying JetBlue. "Though airlines have consolidated to the point where most assume further M&A is unlikely, we still see the possibility of UAL going after JBLU in order for UAL to address its own perceived lack of a sufficient domestic presence," Keay writes.
Keay points out that JetBlue would give United more capacity in the U.S., a priority for CEO Oscar Munoz and top lieutenant Scott Kirby. United has been adding service on routes connecting smaller U.S. cities to its major domestic hubs. Yet as Keay notes, American and Delta both have more domestic capacity than United—American significantly more. Adding JetBlue would give United a slight edge on American in domestic "available seat miles," a measure of airline capacity.
There may be other reasons to buy JetBlue. Acquiring a troublesome new challenger would eliminate one source of growing price pressure across the industry. United also might want to keep JetBlue out of the hands of another rival, such as American. "United has the opportunity to strike at an opportune time," Keay argues, noting JetBlue's stock is down, United's balance sheet is strong and low interest rates reduce deal financing costs. JetBlue declines to comment, and United didn't respond to my inquiry.
Keay devotes considerable ink to addressing antitrust obstacles to a deal. Federal antitrust enforcers greenlighted the last round of airline combinations in part because of concerns that some carriers wouldn't survive alone. But with consolidated airlines now enjoying profits so robust that American CEO Doug Parker recently said he doesn't think his company will ever "lose money again," another round of mergers might not get such a solicitous regulatory reception.
A United/JetBlue tie-up would raise serious competitive concerns in the politically sensitive New York market, where they have a combined 42 percent market share. Among other possible solutions, Keay suggests regulators might agree to consider Newark Airport, where United dominates, as a separate market from LaGuardia and Kennedy airports, where it has a smaller presence. He also raises the possibility of lenient antitrust reviews under business-friendly Trump appointees. Maybe, but political heavyweights like U.S. Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman aren't likely to sit still for a deal that gives a single airline nearly half their home market.
At a minimum, antitrust regulators would require significant route divestitures that erode the value of the deal to United. And the benefits of acquiring JetBlue may not be as great as they initially appear. Keay notes that only 16 percent of JetBlue's capacity feeds directly into United's domestic hubs.
It seems to me that United is better off strategically adding flights on its own, in line with Kirby's plan to maximize traffic through domestic hubs. Buying JetBlue would bring complex merger integration challenges—probably including a serious culture clash—threatening United's recent rebound from customer-service and on-time performance woes caused in no small part by its last big deal.
But like it or not, the scenario is now on the table. And CEOs don't need much prodding to chase acquisitions. If consolidation takes off again, no airline boss will want to be left at the gate.
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It has nothing to do with that. JB would cost United about $10B. It makes no sense. We just acquired 30-40 Airbus from an unknown source (apparently an airline that just went out of business), and an announcement is forthcoming. We went from no new hire classes until March, to 225 new hires needed in November and December alone, including a class of 75 hires on 11/13. UAL/JB would never pass DOJ scrutiny. Also, United wouldn't be ramping up new hires if they were wanting to buy an airline. Buying Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant would make MUCH more sense, if United were to buy any airline.
I'm sorry, but none of the big 4 will be buying JB.
I'm sorry, but none of the big 4 will be buying JB.
I didn't write it Hunter Keay an airline analyst did.
Go argue with him he laid out the challenges issues and ways that it could happen (not that it will)
And as for the rest while this is the Internet so everything is fair there were definitely some disparaging remarks made about JetBlue pilots in the other endless JetBlue/United merger thread.
As always we are all just along for the ride.
Last edited by pilotpayne; 10-14-2017 at 05:51 AM.
#16
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Dude don't take it up with me.
I didn't write it Hunter Keay an airline analyst did.
Go argue with him he laid out the challenges issues and ways that it could happen (not that it will)
And as for the rest while this is the Internet so everything is fair there were definitely some disparaging remarks made about JetBlue pilots in the other endless JetBlue/United merger thread.
As always we are all just along for the ride.
I didn't write it Hunter Keay an airline analyst did.
Go argue with him he laid out the challenges issues and ways that it could happen (not that it will)
And as for the rest while this is the Internet so everything is fair there were definitely some disparaging remarks made about JetBlue pilots in the other endless JetBlue/United merger thread.
As always we are all just along for the ride.
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I don't think there's even 150 in this year's pool anymore.
And I have yet to hear is any OTS HPI's being sent.
#18
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11/13 class to have 75 total (new hire and furlough returnees)
3 more classes of 50 each 1 in November and 2 in December. All based on 30-40 Airbus planes that management just bought that are immediate deliveries. Apparently they came from a European carrier that just ceased operating.
#19
Having just Left JB after 4 years for United please don't allow a merger to happen.
I also think if this ever happened , it would be in tougher economical times , just like the housing market ,ups and downs . Jetblue is wayyy to pricey .
Look at what Delta got Northwest for back in 2007 compared to what Alaska purchased Virgin for .dam near the same price !!!!
Ups and downs . If it happens , it's way down the road in my eyes .
I also think if this ever happened , it would be in tougher economical times , just like the housing market ,ups and downs . Jetblue is wayyy to pricey .
Look at what Delta got Northwest for back in 2007 compared to what Alaska purchased Virgin for .dam near the same price !!!!
Ups and downs . If it happens , it's way down the road in my eyes .
#20
It has nothing to do with that. JB would cost United about $10B. It makes no sense. We just acquired 30-40 Airbus from an unknown source (apparently an airline that just went out of business), and an announcement is forthcoming. We went from no new hire classes until March, to 225 new hires needed in November and December alone, including a class of 75 hires on 11/13. UAL/JB would never pass DOJ scrutiny. Also, United wouldn't be ramping up new hires if they were wanting to buy an airline. Buying Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant would make MUCH more sense, if United were to buy any airline.
I'm sorry, but none of the big 4 will be buying JB.
I'm sorry, but none of the big 4 will be buying JB.
-Bubs



