hyperboy

I have an FFD pin that is not the same as my Employee number.

CaptCoolHand

Dude...
somehow I am not surprised 😆

pilotpayne

On no.
That’s the first test.....fail

Bluedriver

And I bet you use one hand to cover the other while you type it in! I've seen it, it's disturbing on soo many levels.

This is fail number 28 for Hypergirl.

hilltopflyer

Have you really?

aewanabe

Huh. My FFD isn’t copy-paste, because it also entails me signing for the release. You signing the release for me when I haven’t even looked at it is a big no-no, especially when I’m telling the DX we need V2 for the missing TLR, or an amendment to add an alternate, etc etc etc....

In this great company ‘culture’ we have, there has been at least one Captain I personally know of who got some unpaid time off for signing the release when it wasn’t technically legal. If that makes me ‘one of those guys’ I’m gonna have to live with it.

(ETA: I don’t cover the MCDU when I enter it, and what I usually do is explain why to the FO, then let him/her enter the pin for me if I’ve actually had time to read the 26 pages of taxiway edge light NOTAMS....)

PasserOGas

Lol, I hate to break it to you, but you are "that guy".

BeatNavy

Lol. Here’s how this works if it’s the FOs leg for the other 99%. FO sets up box (to include entering/printing both FFDs). You still look at the release as you normally do. You notice something off. You call dispatch and get it amended/V2. You still have that ability (and responsibility) even if the FO does the FFD. I’ve had one CA, and only one CA, in 2 years, insist on doing it himself. Sorry, but you are “that guy.”

Do you do the FO’s FFD? You seem hung up on “signing for the release,” but affirming oneself fit is also required, just as much so as a release being signed for. So in your 1% world you can’t do that for the other person. By your logic, you affirming the FO is fit for duty is wrong, and if you do it, the FO has no opportunity to sign saying he/she is actually fit for duty.

By someone else entering a PIN, they aren’t taking away an opportunity for you to find or acknowledge a mistake, and when the CA shows up and looks at the release, with his FFD already printed, he can still find a mistake in the release or realize he isn’t fit and can remove himself from the flight. He still hands the printout to the gate agent and says he’s ready to go. That should be a good indication he’s looked at the release and accepts it.

A few weeks ago I had a CA say when I first sat down “my PIN is my emp number, I’m a team player...I hear there are a couple out there who aren’t. I’m not one of them.” Welcome to the 1% club. Curious, do a lot of your trips end up in open time?

Edit: the person who got time off didn’t get time off because the FO “signed for the release.” He got time off because he missed something and left the gate. The person who entered his PIN is irrelevant...him not catching the mistake on the release is what mattered. Again, just Bc the FO enters the FFD doesn’t mean CAs don’t look at the release. And fwiw, of all the check airmen I’ve flown with here, exactly 0 have done it like you.

feltf4

Lol (filler)

Bluedriver

Absolutely. At least once, maybe twice.

It's very double take worthy. And triple face-palm worthy.