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#51

Bluedriver , 02-06-2018 05:20 AM

The REAL Bluedriver

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Originally Posted by aewanabe

Huh. My FFD isn’t copy-paste, because it also entails me signing for the release. You signing the release for me when I haven’t even looked at it is a big no-no, especially when I’m telling the DX we need V2 for the missing TLR, or an amendment to add an alternate, etc etc etc....

In this great company ‘culture’ we have, there has been at least one Captain I personally know of who got some unpaid time off for signing the release when it wasn’t technically legal. If that makes me ‘one of those guys’ I’m gonna have to live with it.

(ETA: I don’t cover the MCDU when I enter it, and what I usually do is explain why to the FO, then let him/her enter the pin for me if I’ve actually had time to read the 26 pages of taxiway edge light NOTAMS....)

You're good. I do NOT copy-paste the other dude without express prior consent. Period, ever.

But I'm sure some guys do, which is something that needs to change.

#52

Bluedriver , 02-06-2018 05:28 AM

The REAL Bluedriver

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Originally Posted by BeatNavy

Lol. Here’s how this works if it’s the FOs leg for the other 99%. FO sets up box (to include entering/printing both FFDs). You still look at the release as you normally do. You notice something off. You call dispatch and get it amended/V2. You still have that ability (and responsibility) even if the FO does the FFD. I’ve had one CA, and only one CA, in 2 years, insist on doing it himself. Sorry, but you are “that guy.”

Do you do the FO’s FFD? You seem hung up on “signing for the release,” but affirming oneself fit is also required, just as much so as a release being signed for. So in your 1% world you can’t do that for the other person. By your logic, you affirming the FO is fit for duty is wrong, and if you do it, the FO has no opportunity to sign saying he/she is actually fit for duty.

By someone else entering a PIN, they aren’t taking away an opportunity for you to find or acknowledge a mistake, and when the CA shows up and looks at the release, with his FFD already printed, he can still find a mistake in the release or realize he isn’t fit and can remove himself from the flight. He still hands the printout to the gate agent and says he’s ready to go. That should be a good indication he’s looked at the release and accepts it.

A few weeks ago I had a CA say when I first sat down “my PIN is my emp number, I’m a team player...I hear there are a couple out there who aren’t. I’m not one of them.” Welcome to the 1% club. Curious, do a lot of your trips end up in open time?

Edit: the person who got time off didn’t get time off because the FO “signed for the release.” He got time off because he missed something and left the gate. The person who entered his PIN is irrelevant...him not catching the mistake on the release is what mattered. Again, just Bc the FO enters the FFD doesn’t mean CAs don’t look at the release. And fwiw, of all the check airmen I’ve flown with here, exactly 0 have done it like you.

So I also agree here. I personally don't copy-paste without at least one briefing saying"if I'm here, I'm fit". That's me, but Navy is correct on most of it.

I will just say be very careful signing the other pilots FFD without prior permission or before he was arrived. It is in fact against FARs and stated (written) company policy to ever sign another's FFD (or signing for the release) even WITH permission to do so.

I'm only saying be careful how and when you do either of those things.

Having said that, I'm cut-n-paste and I will send both post the original briefing saying "if I'm here I'm fit".

As far finding a mistake in the RLS post electronic signing, no big deal as long as you don't block out. You always have the right to "catch" a mistake, even after pressing the "sign" button.

Don't be a dork. Kidding, kinda.

#53

BeatNavy , 02-06-2018 06:07 AM

Covfefe

To caveat my previous since it was brought up, I of course wait until the other guy is present and we have discussed it at the beginning of a pairing. If I’ve flown with them before then I’ll do it if they are there but not there (doing the walk around or something).

#54

aewanabe , 02-06-2018 06:15 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by BeatNavy

It’s cool. I chimed in because I’ve been a CA here for 5 years, we’ve been doing the FFD pony show for 4 years, and this is the first I’ve heard of it making you “that guy”.

If the FO tells me “I’m copy-paste, if I’m here send it”, then I do. But I also won’t do it without their consent first. For me it’s not about who sends the release verification, it’s the whole idea that I’ve signed it before I even get a chance to look.

FWIW, I don’t wear long sleeves, tell guys I’m “laid back”, or any of the other normal triggers.... I’ve never been a one-percenter in looks, jokes, airmanship, or athletic ability, so if this is gonna be my thing I’m gonna have to live with it

. Cheers.

#55

Bluedriver , 02-06-2018 07:33 AM

The REAL Bluedriver

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Originally Posted by aewanabe

You're probably not really "that guy".

I've even met 1 or 2 FFDOs that weren't complete tools. Exceptions to EVERY rule do exist. Except the lanyard rule. No lanyard always means company tool.

#56

hyperboy , 02-06-2018 09:36 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by Bluedriver

And I bet you use one hand to cover the other while you type it in! I've seen it, it's disturbing on soo many levels.

This is fail number 28 for Hypergirl.

It's funny that you can continue to attack me. You can call me up and be a man about it rather that playing 7th grade politics, making fun of people on the keyboard and acting like your the boss of the halls. You have my number. Man up if thats even possible?

#57

say again , 02-06-2018 09:39 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by Bluedriver

You're probably not really "that guy".

I've even met 1 or 2 FFDOs that weren't complete tools. Exceptions to EVERY rule do exist. Except the lanyard rule. No lanyard always means company tool.

Now FFDO's are tools too?

#58

hyperboy , 02-06-2018 09:57 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by say again

Now FFDO's are tools too?

What I think we are discovering is that BlueDriver is actually that guy. The FO that thinks he is the CA of the Right seat. I call it "RPIC time" Right seat PIC. Got several of those on the 190.

The one that hides the release from the PIC like it's Easter Sunday. The one that makes the CA wonder if we are gonna actually be able to get this thing in the air. Has no one to talk to in the cockpit because the CA's want to live another day, until they can get home and hang themselves with that non-company "holiday" tie their kid got them for Christmas!

So he heads over to APC to cowardly bully others. Handle your business BD!.....you man of a pilot.

#59

queue , 02-08-2018 02:19 PM

Banned

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Originally Posted by hyperboy

Come on guys. Don't let your "role" in the cockpit go to your heads. You are civilians with no legal authority over one another. Anyone can just walk off the job anytime they want and flip you the bird. Don't let some BS company title go to your head. A PIC can't send you to jail for disobeying his wishes.

#60

Bluedriver , 02-08-2018 03:26 PM

The REAL Bluedriver

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Originally Posted by hyperboy

I forgot about this stupid post... I'm anything but an FO captain hyper. Wrong again.

I've been a 121 Capt, seen the right seat captain bit a few times, that ain't me...