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Thanks for the advice...
I think I’ll be OK...Being that the RSA/VDA problem I speak of, most likely will continue...there won’t be any work stoppage, and we’ll end up negotiating for another 2 years. Therefore, nobody will come after me. Win-win Wear your lanyards, and once again, I hope we get a contract! I won’t drop the Mic again, but the last one was pretty funny! Later |
Originally Posted by Hercbubba
(Post 2546454)
If “they”want to come after me with a subpoena, then fine...I’ll take whatever punishment they give, but that’s my choice. I’m not doing anything you guys aten’t doing when it comes to shaming. I’m just giving my 2 cents, 1 for RSA and the 2nd for VDA. Look at Delta last year. All their pilots stopped picking up trips for 1 month, and the next month they had a contract! Wow, tell me this is a joke right? You are not the one who will be punished, it's the entire pilot group that will be punished through your actions. Just. Stop. There are literally Spirit pilots in this thread who have been through it first hand telling you to stop. On a side note, I saw Omni got their TA. Haven't seen their work rules, but the pay looks good! I enjoyed this line from the article, and hope that management sees it... "Pilots are "a scare resource right now", he says. "To attract pilots, you are going to have to pay where the market is. There is no way around it." |
If I am an operating pilot or dead heading crew member, I am legally on duty. As such, and in regards to cleaning (FOM 10-44, 10-45) I would be afforded all the benefits offered in the event that I sustained an injury while performing the additionally requested duties.
As a non-revenue passenger, I am NOT on duty. In the event that I am injured while cleaning, would I be eligible to file for workers comp, seeing as it was a company required action that led to said injury? Additionally, if we are being required to perform a service each time we exercise our benefits, are we actually non-revenue passengers, or are we trading services for carriage? A company mandated action is a crew duty. Are there tax implications for the crew member? How about the company? What if I choose to commute on a flight that gets me in 3 hours prior to my show. As I am now required to perform duty for the company, does my FDP start then? There are some fun and exciting legal acrobatics regarding these scenarios. It's not nearly as cut and dry as people are led to believe. |
Originally Posted by thrufru
(Post 2546932)
If I am an operating pilot or dead heading crew member, I am legally on duty. As such, and in regards to cleaning (FOM 10-44, 10-45) I would be afforded all the benefits offered in the event that I sustained an injury while performing the additionally requested duties.
As a non-revenue passenger, I am NOT on duty. In the event that I am injured while cleaning, would I be eligible to file for workers comp, seeing as it was a company required action that led to said injury? Additionally, if we are being required to perform a service each time we exercise our benefits, are we actually non-revenue passengers, or are we trading services for carriage? A company mandated action is a crew duty. Are there tax implications for the crew member? How about the company? What if I choose to commute on a flight that gets me in 3 hours prior to my show. As I am now required to perform duty for the company, does my FDP start then? There are some fun and exciting legal acrobatics regarding these scenarios. It's not nearly as cut and dry as people are led to believe. |
Originally Posted by thrufru
(Post 2546932)
If I am an operating pilot or dead heading crew member, I am legally on duty. As such, and in regards to cleaning (FOM 10-44, 10-45) I would be afforded all the benefits offered in the event that I sustained an injury while performing the additionally requested duties.
As a non-revenue passenger, I am NOT on duty. In the event that I am injured while cleaning, would I be eligible to file for workers comp, seeing as it was a company required action that led to said injury? Additionally, if we are being required to perform a service each time we exercise our benefits, are we actually non-revenue passengers, or are we trading services for carriage? A company mandated action is a crew duty. Are there tax implications for the crew member? How about the company? What if I choose to commute on a flight that gets me in 3 hours prior to my show. As I am now required to perform duty for the company, does my FDP start then? There are some fun and exciting legal acrobatics regarding these scenarios. It's not nearly as cut and dry as people are led to believe. |
Originally Posted by aldonite7667
(Post 2547052)
The FOM reference you site indemnifies you from ever cleaning. You are still a PIC or SIC just not for that flight, all of your duties for every time you interact with The company are in there. You are still a pilot for the company, whether operating or not. I don’t clean, ever.
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Originally Posted by thrufru
(Post 2546932)
There are some fun and exciting legal acrobatics regarding these scenarios. It's not nearly as cut and dry as people are led to believe.
Did you read the latest message on HelloBJ (Pravda online) regarding negotiations? They talk about "negotiating in good faith" and so forth... it's disgusting. Only a complete fool would believe anything these people say. Sadly, too many people are still drinking the blue juice or apologizing for the company's policies. |
Originally Posted by aldonite7667
(Post 2547052)
The FOM reference you site indemnifies you from ever cleaning. You are still a PIC or SIC just not for that flight, all of your duties for every time you interact with The company are in there. You are still a pilot for the company, whether operating or not. I don’t clean, ever.
And no... you are not a PIC or SIC if you are commuting. You are not listed on the release and thus you are not factored into operational control for the flight. If for whatever reason you end up helping to fly the plane, it's an emergency scenario and all CFRs may be violated to the extend required to protect lives. |
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
(Post 2547014)
This is why I believe Joanna G is a paper tiger on this issue. They know its unenforcable. Empty threats. Never clean, on duty or off.
It was designed to be documentable. This is management 101 stuff. You write a whole series of rules. No one can practically follow them 100% of the time to 100% accuracy. If you become a problem child to them by impacting operations (e.g. by enabling their bad behaviors), they will build a parallel case of anything they can find. For example, they will pull up your WiFi browsing history. They will see if you ever used FLICA inflight. You may not get fired or suspended for one specific thing, but overall you could be demonstrated to be insubordinate for a variety of little things. If you don't believe this stuff happens, then you've never been in management in a corporation and you're naive to how things really work. |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 2545971)
I agree with the gas-passer.
Guys, it's about to get ugly, possibly legally ugly. I personally know of current termination that doesn't smell very good. Listen to the Spirit guys that have posted here recently. Don't underestimate what the company may be willing to do to continue saving hundreds of millions of dollars. We CANNOT publicly shame the RSA/VDA/overtime crowd. It is illegal and I do NOT believe the MECs recent communication was a timing coincidence. We must self-police and ensure no public calls for a job-action are made or allowed to stand without a strong group rebuke. We (I) do not condone illegal job actions against JB, including public shaming of the RSA/VDA guys. As the recent union communication says, it is becoming apparent (just now, are you kidding?) that management is digging in the heels for a long struggle. Think about that.... Just *now*, after most of you thought we would already have a deal done, management is digging in their heels for a long struggle! SOP, as our union and our *chief pilot* have told us to do. And we need to watch for shark posters and unusual activity. |
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