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Mikeer50 09-03-2023 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by feltf4 (Post 2552620)
We had pilots picking up 10 hour 3 days in the last IROP.... for straight time.... that is smaht

I wasn’t aware we had 10 hour three days.

Bluedriver 09-03-2023 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by Mikeer50 (Post 3691671)
I wasn’t aware we had 10 hour three days.

I think that post was from 2018.

Directautogroup 09-04-2023 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by Mikeer50 (Post 3691671)
I wasn’t aware we had 10 hour three days.

Spirit has the lock on 10 hour 3 days in LAS so you guys don't be jealous now.

Flyby1206 09-04-2023 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Directautogroup (Post 3692166)
Spirit has the lock on 10 hour 3 days in LAS so you guys don't be jealous now.

Dont worry, ours are all packaged neatly in a 4day/20hr trip where you fly some incredibly productive day turn on Day 1, layover at hotel in base, then fly the crap 3day after.

Better trip rig/min daily credit needs to be in the JCBA

Bluedriver 09-04-2023 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3692188)
Dont worry, ours are all packaged neatly in a 4day/20hr trip where you fly some incredibly productive day turn on Day 1, layover at hotel in base, then fly the crap 3day after.

Better trip rig/min daily credit needs to be in the JCBA

Do the math on a 1/3 TAFB rig. Would solve both the pay productivity and commutability issues simultaneously. Uncommutable trips would pay a lot for locals and also give financial incentives to build many commutable trips for commuters. All in one simple TAFB rig.

Flyby1206 09-04-2023 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3692219)
Do the math on a 1/3 TAFB rig. Would solve both the pay productivity and commutability issues simultaneously. Um commutable trips would pay a lot for locals and also give financial incentives to build many commutable trips for commuters. All in one simple TAFB rig.

Agree and I hope we get it, the problem is everyone in the industry is at 3.5/1. Not impossible, but gets more difficult to negotiate.

https://i.postimg.cc/ydSTsTtY/IMG-5978.jpg

Bluedriver 09-04-2023 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3692231)
Agree and I hope we get it, the problem is everyone in the industry is at 3.5/1. Not impossible, but gets more difficult to negotiate.

https://i.postimg.cc/ydSTsTtY/IMG-5978.jpg

Industry standard was 5 hours per day ADG, and that's gone up. So improvement from industry standard is possible, especially in this JCBA.

Even a 1/3.25 would be a step in the right direction. I just think this would be such a pay/QOL silver bullet that it should warrant a big push and an incremental improvement from current.

Flyby1206 09-04-2023 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3692243)
Industry standard was 5 hours per day. ADG, and that's gone up.

Even a 1/3.25 would be a step in the right direction. I just think this would be such a pay/QOL silver bullet that it should warrant a big push and an incremental improvement from current.

Absolutely, 1/3 trip rig, 6hr min daily guar would force more productivity

DontCallMeCindy 09-04-2023 02:43 PM

The CBA is crystal clear on this subject: it's first-come, first-serve--period. It doesn't specify any exceptions or modifiers regarding what methods or means a pilot uses to be "the first."

If the company dips their toe into defining what methods are "acceptable" vs. "not acceptable" re: picking up trips on Flica, they're going to end up spending hundreds of hours of time and effort (and thus money) refereeing disputes between individual pilots who are using various methods to gain a temporal edge.

I've never used a bot in my life, nor would I ever (too afraid of being accused of lacking integrity and getting into trouble). But I completely understand why the company is staying out of the weeds on this subject, especially when they don't even own the IT infrastructure on which any of these transactions take place.

Flyby1206 09-04-2023 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by DontCallMeCindy (Post 3692333)
The CBA is crystal clear on this subject: it's first-come, first-serve--period. It doesn't specify any exceptions or modifiers regarding what methods or means a pilot uses to be "the first."

If the company dips their toe into defining what methods are "acceptable" vs. "not acceptable" re: picking up trips on Flica, they're going to end up spending hundreds of hours of time and effort (and thus money) refereeing disputes between individual pilots who are using various methods to gain a temporal edge.

I've never used a bot in my life, nor would I ever (too afraid of being accused of lacking integrity and getting into trouble). But I completely understand why the company is staying out of the weeds on this subject, especially when they don't even own the IT infrastructure on which any of these transactions take place.

On the blue side we’ve seen Flight Ops get involved with the bot hunt, particularly after there are complaints about the issue.


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